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Old 08-30-2024, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Except that the choice wasn’t really binary — there were plenty of options. They could take the deal, reject the deal, make a suitable counter-offer, or wait on it while building up enforcement resources (making the problem more costly for the company). Every option except the one that the MEC took was a better option.

Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.

SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
I think his endorsement was in his former role as a manager of the scheduling commitee and it's exploding work and limited resources. The solution fixed (supposedly) his problems. That said, it was a huge loss to the pilot group as a whole which the MEC either failed to recognize, or disregarded. Either of which is a fireable offence. The MEC should have been relieved of duty not the most effective scheduling chair we have ever had.
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Old 08-30-2024, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I think his endorsement was in his former role as a manager of the scheduling commitee and its exploding work and limited resources. The solution fixed (supposedly) his problems. That said, it was a huge loss to the pilot group as a whole which the MEC either failed to recognize, or disregarded. Either of which is a fireable offence. The MEC should have been relieved of duty not the most effective scheduling chair we have ever had.
So what you are effectively saying is that everyone else is the problem, not him?
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Old 08-30-2024, 08:22 AM
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So what you are effectively saying is that everyone else is the problem, not him?
Am I wrong? 9/8 doesnt seem like everyone. 9 maybe. Yes, the 23M7 settlement was wrong, very wrong.
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Old 08-30-2024, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJphlyer
So what you are effectively saying is that everyone else is the problem, not him?
Shilling for Archer already? Maybe Eickhoff too?
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Old 09-01-2024, 06:53 AM
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The RLA trumps state law and requires disputes to be settled in arbitration. The issues has gone through the courts many times. You can't sue the company for anything considered a minor dispute which this absolutely would be classified.
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Wrong, minor is undefined. Wage theft by a fortune 100 compamy on a corporate scale targeting a specific work group is anything but minor.
The RLA doesn’t exempt you from compliance with all state laws, even though management would like that to be the case. There are a number of state laws that still apply, the most noticeable are state sick any disability programs. Whether or not state laws about wage recoupment apply to us is still in debate, but there is a strong argument to be made that they do.

That being said, almost without exception, every time a union has challenged something to be a major dispute the courts have said it is just minor as subject to the grievance process. All that is required to make a dispute minor is for the company to be able to make an argument that it is permitted under the contract. It doesn’t matter how absurd the argument is. It’s highly unlikely that any of the pay audits would be considered major disputes solely based on timeline and notice. And if there is an issue with whether the pay is due or not, that would be covered under the grievance process.
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Old 09-01-2024, 07:36 AM
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The RLA doesn’t exempt you from compliance with all state laws, even though management would like that to be the case. There are a number of state laws that still apply, the most noticeable are state sick any disability programs. Whether or not state laws about wage recoupment apply to us is still in debate, but there is a strong argument to be made that they do.

Flew with an FO recently that said they tried to go back and recoup a chunk of change from an error that hit his entire indoc class. But Michigan state law says that you can only go back 6 months, and that stopped the company from collecting, as the error was >6 months prior. Not sure if it was just pilots with state laws like that who were save or not, I just got the basic cliff notes.
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Old 09-01-2024, 07:56 AM
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Flew with an FO recently that said they tried to go back and recoup a chunk of change from an error that hit his entire indoc class. But Michigan state law says that you can only go back 6 months, and that stopped the company from collecting, as the error was >6 months prior. Not sure if it was just pilots with state laws like that who were save or not, I just got the basic cliff notes.
Sounds like he was one of the ones where when they transitioned from new hire pay to line pay, the company didn’t turn off new hire pay. So they got an extra month or two of new hire pay on top of line pay. Glad at least some of them were able to keep it.
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Old 09-01-2024, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy
Shilling for Archer already? Maybe Eickhoff too?
No, I was against recall (and still am). But I'm not sure I'll support DA for reelection. Not sure who Eickhoff is...
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Old 09-01-2024, 04:48 PM
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No, I was against recall (and still am). But I'm not sure I'll support DA for reelection. Not sure who Eickhoff is...
Is DA running for reelection?

ME has been the Chair of the Membership Committee for like 5-6 years.
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Old 09-02-2024, 05:47 AM
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Buddy in ATL sent me this. This guy is running for the C44 FO Rep position as a write-in candidate. Not sure why he didn't get on the list, but he seems like he would be a good rep for you guys.

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