Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
08-27-2024, 05:17 AM
#6161
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Not in the situation described. You can google a bunch of attempts to sue. Outside of the company nuking the union headquarters or a discrimination case the courts have consistently returned lawsuits to the arbitration process. The union actually has pretty good attorneys. Filing a lawsuit would delay arbitration and getting the pay issue solved.
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08-27-2024, 08:28 AM
#6164
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08-27-2024, 08:56 AM
#6165
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My understanding is that, given the binary choice of a take-it-or-leave-it offer, he recommended "take it", to solve the rampant IA out-of-seniority problem. It was not his idea, per se.
That said, he is running for C44 rep, and though I strongly disagree with this one thing, will enthusiastically vote for him for Rep. I don't need to agree with every position to recognize a strong candidate and support them.
And this is why so many folks were upset abou it, right here.
That said, he is running for C44 rep, and though I strongly disagree with this one thing, will enthusiastically vote for him for Rep. I don't need to agree with every position to recognize a strong candidate and support them.
And this is why so many folks were upset abou it, right here.
08-27-2024, 09:24 AM
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My understanding is that, given the binary choice of a take-it-or-leave-it offer, he recommended "take it", to solve the rampant IA out-of-seniority problem. It was not his idea, per se.
That said, he is running for C44 rep, and though I strongly disagree with this one thing, will enthusiastically vote for him for Rep. I don't need to agree with every position to recognize a strong candidate and support them.
And this is why so many folks were upset abou it, right here.
That said, he is running for C44 rep, and though I strongly disagree with this one thing, will enthusiastically vote for him for Rep. I don't need to agree with every position to recognize a strong candidate and support them.
And this is why so many folks were upset abou it, right here.
Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.
SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
08-27-2024, 09:41 AM
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Except that the choice wasn’t really binary — there were plenty of options. They could take the deal, reject the deal, make a suitable counter-offer, or wait on it while building up enforcement resources (making the problem more costly for the company). Every option except the one that the MEC took was a better option.
Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.
SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.
SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
08-27-2024, 09:50 AM
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Except that the choice wasn’t really binary — there were plenty of options. They could take the deal, reject the deal, make a suitable counter-offer, or wait on it while building up enforcement resources (making the problem more costly for the company). Every option except the one that the MEC took was a better option.
Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.
SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
Instead, the used car salesman convinced them that he was offering the lowest price they would EVER find a Miata for. If they left the dealership that day, the price would never be available to them again. A slim MEC majority fell for that - hook, line, and sinker.
SK knows the PWA, particularly section 23, probably better than anyone else here. He’s a pilot advocate. I trust his character more than many other current MEC members. But as a candidate, I think he needs to answer some tough questions regarding that settlement and its timing. He may be a PWA expert, but that doesn’t automatically make him a negotiating expert. I honestly think he was best suited in his former role.
The other guys who have indicated they are willing to serve are unknowns and worse--one guy couldn't get confirmed as DH's traning committee chair last year due to utter incompetence and unprofessionalism. And now he wants to be a rep. So if SK is willing to do the job, he'll be good. We're all learning as we go along, and hopefully SK learned something too.
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08-27-2024, 11:07 AM
#6169
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same for me. There’s a reason he was fired by the majority of the MEC. apparently the guy doesnt play well with others. Not sure I want another rep that won't or can’t mentally handle taking direction from the constituency.
08-27-2024, 11:38 AM
#6170
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Maybe if he owned up to it, and said something along the lines of “look I screwed up, here’s why, here’s what I learned, here’s why it will never happen again”
Has he done that?
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