Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
08-25-2024, 04:00 PM
#6111
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Every LOA should go to MEMRAT with very,very few exceptions (there should be a high bar to override for obvious/lopsided wins - don’t we already have a Policy Manual provision for this?). As already stated, I don’t know anyone who thinks the Batch Size giveaway would have passed MEMRAT. It’s a problem when reps are that out of step with their constituency.
08-25-2024, 04:17 PM
#6112
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It's amazing to me that he thinks a DART about the IROP is a pass to negotiate an LOA.. I bet most darts were explicitly about how the contract was violated. Are they going to negotiate the company back into compliance again?
08-25-2024, 04:30 PM
#6113
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zero polling, zero input sought. This is how we got TA1.
Moak is pleased.
edit: agree with Ancman and CBreezy. How can a guy be this naive?
08-25-2024, 04:36 PM
#6114
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Are you getting talking points from DH or DA?
I sure hope you are not in a position of influence within DALPA or have any kind of pilot-facing role there.
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08-25-2024, 08:28 PM
#6116
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MEMRAT is a powerful antidote to that BS line of thinking.
08-26-2024, 02:40 AM
#6117
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Agreed. I’ll never understand the pull of some of our reps to ingratiate themselves to management. Like it’s the cool kids club and they’re special now, so sure whatever you guys want. It was on full display during TA1. I had an FO rep tell me verbatim that they’d had “a peek behind the curtain” and that they were the best positioned to make decisions for us because of that inside knowledge.
MEMRAT is a powerful antidote to that BS line of thinking.
MEMRAT is a powerful antidote to that BS line of thinking.
When the curtain is peeled back to reveal their “insider” line of thinking, it is often clear how naive and/or management-influenced their decision process was. A perfect example was AB’s 3rd grade level dissertation on why the batch size giveaway was a good deal. Both his naivety and susceptibility to management were on full display.
Any action that will alter any word in the PWA, whether an LOA or MEC-driven grievance settlement, should go to MEMRAT as the final step. The notion that the MEC understands what pilots want better than the pilots themselves is absurd.
08-26-2024, 03:00 AM
#6118
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if they come back with something that is good for the pilot group and it passes memrat (like LOA 20-04) I don’t see an issue. My problem becomes when a rouge MEC decides to give away a piece of our contract for nothing in a move that (by my best guess) would have failed memrat spectacularly.
For those who weren't here, in 2015 there was an agreement during FAR 117 negotiations to allow more Stand-up overnights with few limits, and at a cheaper price (basically, 7 hours or so vs 10.5 we had before). It was slipped in the LOA without telling anyone and it got leaked. We didn't have Memrat for LOA, so we would of been stuck with it had the MEC approved it. A last minute huge onslaught of negative comments removed them at the last minute.
Regardinging giving the company some relief during IROPS - lets start with paying people correctly, then we'll talk about IROPS relief. Maybe tie IROPS relief to Crew360 being implemented for pay?
08-26-2024, 04:19 AM
#6119
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All LOA’s should go to memrat. Voting is online anyway. I still wouldn’t even know these talks are going on except for this website. Something’s suspicious. What relief does company need? Reroute pay relief? Seriously? I have no idea.
08-26-2024, 04:30 AM
#6120
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Glad to see the ChitChatters have found a 2nd home here.
Look, I don’t support an IROP LOA. The company didn’t follow the PWA during the last IROP, why would they follow an LOA?
I also don’t want everything going to memrat. I trust my reps to make sound, informed decisions.
Look, I don’t support an IROP LOA. The company didn’t follow the PWA during the last IROP, why would they follow an LOA?
I also don’t want everything going to memrat. I trust my reps to make sound, informed decisions.
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