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Old 07-19-2024, 10:17 AM
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copy, do uou by chance know the min turn from block in to report the next day? With all the IT bafoonery they have us at 10:01 rest into a 4 leg day. I tried to find it but was unable, and would like some good ammo(7n31 or maybe m62) before i go toe to toe with the goons(aka scheduling)
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Old 07-19-2024, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
copy, do uou by chance know the min turn from block in to report the next day? With all the IT bafoonery they have us at 10:01 rest into a 4 leg day. I tried to find it but was unable, and would like some good ammo(7n31 or maybe m62) before i go toe to toe with the goons(aka scheduling)
Per the FARs you need 10hrs rest with an 8 hour sleep opportunity. Block in, plus 30 minute debrief, 10 hours rest, plus 1 hour prior to departure report (this can be shortened with your permission).
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Old 07-19-2024, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Per the FARs you need 10hrs rest with an 8 hour sleep opportunity. Block in, plus 30 minute debrief, 10 hours rest, plus 1 hour prior to departure report (this can be shortened with your permission).
pro tip: wait until you're in your room, ready for bed, then make the call
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Old 07-19-2024, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown
pro tip: wait until you're in your room, ready for bed, then make the call
Absoultely. Also, if you call the Duty Pilot to move your report back, they might push back gently. Once after a crazy day, I got a "Well, Crew Tracking may want to negotiate that a bit..." Me: "Well, I tell you what, I will be in the lobby at XX:XX for pickup". BTW, there was no pickup van at that time, and we had to call for a Lyft.

Stand your ground on required rest, regardless of who is pushing back. And be careful not to pressure other crew, even inadvertantly. And if you are wondering if you might be fatigued, you probably are. The Fatigue process is very easy and pain-free.
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Old 07-19-2024, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Crown
pro tip: wait until you're in your room, ready for bed, then make the call
I have done this many times. “We just got to the hotel and got our rooms, we will be ready for pickup at (insert time).” Zero pushback.
Did have them once do it as a 30 minute show to go. But we weren't ready after 30, and went when we were.
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Old 07-19-2024, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Absoultely. Also, if you call the Duty Pilot to move your report back, they might push back gently. Once after a crazy day, I got a "Well, Crew Tracking may want to negotiate that a bit..." Me: "Well, I tell you what, I will be in the lobby at XX:XX for pickup". BTW, there was no pickup van at that time, and we had to call for a Lyft.

Stand your ground on required rest, regardless of who is pushing back. And be careful not to pressure other crew, even inadvertantly. And if you are wondering if you might be fatigued, you probably are. The Fatigue process is very easy and pain-free.
Yep, crew tracking wouldn't push our report back a couple of months ago. I talked to the duty pilot who told me it was legal and tried to pressure me also. I said I know it's legal, but ____ is the earliest we will report so have them adjust it please or I can almost guarantee we will be calling in fatigued with insufficient rest tomorrow morning. They adjusted it.
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Old 07-19-2024, 02:38 PM
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Never, ever, agree to a "reduced report time." If something happens the first question will be, "Well you normally report 60 minutes prior, the morning of the incident you reported 30 minutes prior, so how much did you rush?" You're not doing yourself any favors.

If we can report 30 minutes prior during an IROP, why not always report 30 minutes prior?
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Old 07-19-2024, 03:10 PM
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At what point do LCA trips typically get the "L" designation for OE? I was awarded a couple LCA trips next month but as of now none of them are tagged for OE. Does that mean they likely won't be bought off, or do the OE assignments happen later in the month?

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Old 07-19-2024, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HisDudenes5
At what point do LCA trips typically get the "L" designation for OE? I was awarded a couple LCA trips next month but as of now none of them are tagged for OE. Does that mean they like won't be bought off, or do the OE assignments happen later in the month?
I'd say if it's a week out and they haven't, they aren't. YMMV
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Old 07-19-2024, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'd say if it's a week out and they haven't, they aren't. YMMV
I've had OE assigned in as little as 3 day's notice. They have to give the student at least 30hrs.
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