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06-25-2024, 11:15 PM

#5781

nene

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Trying to drop two 4day trips with three day IVD. Placed IVD days on the last day of first trip and first day of second trip. Both should have enough reserve coverage for IVD. Second trip is carryout. Get error saying "dropped days exceed limit or are not".... on the status page after PCS.

Is there a problem Houston?

TIA....

06-26-2024, 12:40 AM

#5782

konabear

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nene

Does the carryout trip touch the 4th of July holiday? Maybe that's the reason.

06-26-2024, 02:27 AM

#5783

Jughead135

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nene

Trying to drop two 4day trips with three day IVD.

That will require two separate IVD drops. A single IVD (of any length) can be used to drop a single trip (of any length), or multiple trips of up to the number of IVD days used total (must be consecutive).

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06-26-2024, 05:02 AM

#5784

BlueSkies

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Originally Posted by Setspeed

Concerning the 1:1 pay y’all are getting for duty days over 10 hours, anyone willing to share how this has or hasn’t changed your trips for better or worse, and how much pay out of this you’re seeing per month on average?

AA & APA left it as a “we’ll look into that” sort of thing. So I’m expecting nothing, but very curious. *eye roll*

Thanks

It's hard to say for sure but I think the trips are better, or at least the days usually seem more balanced, i.e. three 8 hour duty days instead of two 5 hour days with a 12 in the middle. BUT we still have plenty of long days and we still have plenty of the unbalanced trips so they certainly haven't disappeared. Someone probably has real data on this but not me.

As far as pay I'm seeing anywhere from less than an hour (good, no long days) to some months 6-8 hours (good, extra pay). Also, keep in mind that includes our SIT pay and if you have a delay the EDP really helps. It's no longer 'free' for you to do a rolling delay out to a 12 hour duty day so that's a big improvement. All in all, highly recommended.

06-26-2024, 05:10 AM

#5785

tennisguru

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EDP and L.4 reroute pay are two of the best additions to the PWA this last contract.

06-26-2024, 08:18 AM

#5786

Hillbilly

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisguru

EDP and L.4 reroute pay are two of the best additions to the PWA this last contract.

I agree. Better clarity for reroute pay and EDP on the longer days has been really good so far. I'll add that the sit pay has not eliminated long sits, but there are far less of them than there were previously IMO.

06-26-2024, 09:52 AM

#5787

captkdobbs

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisguru

EDP and L.4 reroute pay are two of the best additions to the PWA this last contract.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

Agreed! Even the WB has benefitted from the RR pay sections even though the EDP/Sit don't apply to ocean-crossing trips. Having RR pay "trigger" without necessarily returning +4/+25 hours late is huge.

06-26-2024, 02:01 PM

#5788

Planetrain

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Losing PDX-AMS.
Last DL longhaul out of PDX.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/klm-portland-flights/

06-26-2024, 03:31 PM

#5789

crewdawg

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Planetrain

Losing PDX-AMS.
Last DL longhaul out of PDX.
https://onemileatatime.com/news/klm-portland-flights/

Didn't we swap that with a partner for SEA-AMS (quite a few years back)? We getting that back?

06-27-2024, 06:18 PM

#5790

saturn

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Originally Posted by crewdawg

Didn't we swap that with a partner for SEA-AMS (quite a few years back)? We getting that back?

There is no production balance anymore with routes to JV territories. Our JVs can continue to takeover our routes we fly today. So long as we move the WB they displace somewhere in Europe, SA, Asia/Oceania or Hawaii. I would expect a smaller share of DL metal flying within JV routes going forward.