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Old 05-21-2024, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Ah yes, the business traveler who lives in ATL is going to book their next trip on AA (where pilots don’t say goodbye at all), all because they detected insincerity in my goodbye.

The “Delta Difference” is a delusion at this point. Particularly with regard to management’s treatment of employees.
We don’t? At all?
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Old 05-21-2024, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Wait, wait I know! We can negotiate PB days away in return for…..batch sizes

Agree with your post in all seriousness.
seems logical to me

it may just be me, but I have notices a marked increase in company attacks in our CBA since that giveaway. It showed our weakness and we have not done anything to change that IMO.

also at what point does this turn into a wage theft issue?
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Old 05-21-2024, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Absolutely. Disdain for the pilot group is nothing new within management.

What IS relatively new (within the past year), is the wide open opportunity that DALPA has created for them. They’re sharks sensing blood in the water.
couldn't agree more.
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Old 05-21-2024, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper25
I’m not sure how appropriate that would be, but the paraphrase is:

The scheduling committee thought it was resolved and briefed the MEC as much. However the true story is that this is beyond just a single rogue scheduler and they are working the problem. Their position is that this is unacceptable and violates years of practice as well as unambiguous language in the contract and SRH.
Am hearing from someone in the room the MEC hosted all the VP’s at the MEC meeting, and the PR issue was addressed, along with other unilateral middle-manager decisions. The company agreed this was not contractually compliant and would comply with the PWA/SRH. The MEC believes the issue is resolved satisfactorily. Supposedly…. Don’t have info on replacing ‘audited’ PB banks or pay, but it can’t be a satisfactory resolution without that.

Comm may be incoming after the meeting wraps.
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Old 05-21-2024, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nene
Both are still hiring and bonus, you'll never have to wear a hat again.

Why do we pay so much dues for a union if we don't bring our concerns to them and expect them to address them before bringing out pitchforks.

Judging by ancman's and other's attitude, I'd prefer him not saying goodbye to our pax. Insincerity is worse than just apathy.
Appreciate that you’re more sanguine about this than I am, but everyone has different thresholds for their pitchfork safe. Allow me an example to show why this is a huge freaking deal:

Take a purely hypothetical SEA 330 A. He bids reserve with a day off block at the end of the month. He’s super senior so he gets 1 GS a month. Because no SEA 330 trips release precisely at 1500 hours Pacific time, every single GS he gets results in a PR.

Because he has no LC days left that month, his PR becomes a banked PB day due to long long long standing company practice and black and white language in the SRH which carries the company’s imprimatur.

Now for some very rough math. He makes what, 400 an hour? He can very easily wash those days for an ICN trip for over 12 hrs a day no matter the coverage. That results in 12 PR to PB days a year. 12 hrs x 12 PR days x 400 an hour is about $60,000.

If the company came to you and said they were going to take 60K from you, or more likely simply did it without notifying you, would you really keep your pitchfork locked up? Not a single torch? Good for you if true but understand why people are upset.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Am hearing from someone in the room the MEC hosted all the VP’s at the MEC meeting, and the PR issue was addressed, along with other unilateral middle-manager decisions. The company agreed this was not contractually compliant and would comply with the PWA/SRH. The MEC believes the issue is resolved satisfactorily. Supposedly…. Don’t have info on replacing ‘audited’ PB banks or pay, but it can’t be a satisfactory resolution without that.

Comm may be incoming after the meeting wraps.
Somehow I have a hard time believing that an audit and policy reversal of this scale was limited to middle management buffoonery, with zero awareness at the VP level.

It’s as if they’re testing the MEC at this point.
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Somehow I have a hard time believing that an audit and policy reversal of this scale was limited to middle management buffoonery, with zero awareness at the VP level.
Somebody ordered the code red.
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Old 05-22-2024, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Somehow I have a hard time believing that an audit and policy reversal of this scale was limited to middle management buffoonery, with zero awareness at the VP level.

It’s as if they’re testing the MEC at this point.
At a very minimum, there’s a leadership environment where someone said, “Absolutely, let’s do it. We’ll have top cover to do this major change” knowing they were poking the bear. So I can’t rule out your supposition.

Regardless, it’s unsat, and were I on the MEC, would be demanding the company report on how the **** this happened.

I just hope folks aren’t placated by a little gold flake amongst the chicken feed, like impending “meal choice” changes. (Which proves they can make improvements outside the PWA if they choose).
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
At a very minimum, there’s a leadership environment where someone said, “Absolutely, let’s do it. We’ll have top cover to do this major change” knowing they were poking the bear. So I can’t rule out your supposition.

Regardless, it’s unsat, and were I on the MEC, would be demanding the company report on how the **** this happened.

I just hope folks aren’t placated by a little gold flake amongst the chicken feed, like impending “meal choice” changes. (Which proves they can make improvements outside the PWA if they choose).
I want my lounge access back for Non Rev and DH.
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Somebody ordered the code red.
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