Originally Posted by nene

Some of y'all sound like a bunch of middle schoolers that I interacted with when I used to sub teach during furlough for a bit.

CB, HK, Ancman don't wanna make PAs, wear hats, be nice to customers while working so be it. You do you in your little pity party.

IF my union says to stop wearing hats or any other action due to confirmed impass with mgmt I'll join along, otherwise take your berating of fellow employees and stuff it.

Originally Posted by ancman

I fly the others often as well. I’d be interested in hearing specifics from you, rather than simply “We’re better”.

On my last Delta flight, the FAs had “Crew Use Only” headrest covers placed across the last row of an A320 (on a 2.5 hour flight). The gate agent assigned me a seat in that row. Keep in mind, these were not designated crew safety seats.

Halfway through the flight, after suspending service for light chop, an FA came back and somewhat rudely asked me to move my water bottle off the adjacent seat’s tray, which she then occupied. She explained that “These are actually crew seats” (while pointing to the headrest covers). I was in plain clothes and got the impression that she had no idea I was an employee. She then proceeded to scroll through movies on the IFE while sipping her drink.

We’re already closer to a “so be it” airline than you suggest. Fortunately, the consequences aren’t as severe in the post-consolidation environment. I don’t see much worse from AA or UA, and occasionally I see better service there. It’s all very crew dependent. Personally, I believe in treating the passengers with professionalism and kindness when approached. But I do NONE of the extraneous nonsense that we’re asked by the company to do.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

What you say won't drive away our business. Not making a galley PA, or pushing wheel chairs or throwing bags will get more customers either. None of that really matters to our customers. When dealys happen, be honest. THat's still happening. Keep them informed as best you can with the available information at your disposal. We are not mistreating our customers sailing by not doing galley PA's and all that other fluff. And frankly they really dont' care about the galley PA or the "card" you hand them. Most find it uncomfortable and somewhat cringe. No, they care about on time and their bags not getting lost. They have great WiFI and most just plug in and tune out once they are on the jet.

To the other stuff, no, we've got 3 maybe 4 big airlines left in this country. they are really too big to fail. So those other threats you made about it are OBE. This isn't the 90's. anymore. Customers won't leave for the lack of galley PA's.

Originally Posted by 170Till5

I can’t imagine any other industry or respectable company docking pay without saying sh*** about it to who they are taking pay from. Even the regional I worked for would own up to overpaying and then work out a plan to get their money back over multiple pay periods vs just taking it out. No respect for the pilots at this point. Anyone who works for a normal desk job would quit if that happened to them. No excuses for management acting this way

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Just for the record, this is nothing new. I’ve had thousands and thousands of dollars docked from a paycheck months (or maybe even a year) later. The company doesn’t reach out or do more than dock your pay. My paycheck one month was a few hundred bucks after they found some kind of error. This happened sometime last decade after they messed up training pay or something.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Just for the record, this is nothing new. I’ve had thousands and thousands of dollars docked from a paycheck months (or maybe even a year) later. The company doesn’t reach out or do more than dock your pay. My paycheck one month was a few hundred bucks after they found some kind of error. This happened sometime last decade after they messed up training pay or something.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

I thought this was more of a contractual issue with PB/PR and a "re-interpretation" of our PWA by management. Apparently this is the case in this situation, and DALPA is aware and will be discussing this at the MEC meeting in NY. Is it a pay issue, yes of course. But not like you are describing. I've been overpaid too. The company has docked subsequent pay checks to cover that over payment. This, however, is a different situation we are discussing altogether. Thus has the unions attention now.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Just for the record, this is nothing new. I’ve had thousands and thousands of dollars docked from a paycheck months (or maybe even a year) later. The company doesn’t reach out or do more than dock your pay. My paycheck one month was a few hundred bucks after they found some kind of error. This happened sometime last decade after they messed up training pay or something.

Originally Posted by 170Till5

Management does not respect the pilots, that’s a matter of the fact and they are going to keep pushing the envelope to see what they can get away with

Originally Posted by ancman

The lack of notification by itself violates the law in many states. Most states also have limits on the amount that can be taken from each check and/or other requirements that the employer must adhere to.