Whoopsmybad

FCR it. If there’s no data nothing ever changes.

Iceberg

Man. You keep a good scorecard.

Buck Rogers

Easy to keep a scorecard when it plays like a broken record (especially when m311 is so wrong about me re: younger pilots.)

Almost like you houndoggin me with subtle jabs.

So, what's your opinion on the impact of IM SAFE on sick calls and how that might affect the GFB calls and Dr note requests?

A pilot can call in sick for virtually anything. It will be unprovable that it might be "abuse". The individual pilot is pretty much the only arbiter of fitness. Management is over a barrel due to IM SAFE.

If pilots feel their integrity is being besmirsched by management by the notes/calls.... the time is now to push a grass roots effort to go to what other legacies have...an accrual system of sick leave. Notes and calls will go "poof", but so too will 250 hrs sick leave/year.

I don't really expect you to answer, the horse has been beaten already, but I wanted to come full circle in the discussion after appropriate airing of opinions(substantive, not emotional)

I felt a good discussion was warranted because in the past coupla years, 4000+ pilots have been hired at Delta....many of them military. Many/some of them might benefit from access to insights on the realistic pro's/con's of both sick leave systems.

iaflyer

Having used a fair amount of sick leave as I have gotten older, I am very happy with our existing sick leave system that refills each year. If I'm sick, I'm sick and use the sick leave up the maximum. If I need more than that, I end up on TD (that's happened twice). I'd hate to be ratioing my sick leave to make sure that I have enough for a major event down the road.

An accural system might sound good when you're 25 but when you're double that.. it's not that great a system.

Buck Rogers

Well, personally, never having been on TD, I would have had a metric sh!t ton of sick leave. I never once got a call from CP even tough I utilized the relatively new IMSAFE standards for using/abusing sick leave.

That being said....I personally still agree with you.

It prolly won't be the pilots pushing for the accrual system next contract.... it will be management due to the cascading effect of IMSAFE. I "think" the number of sick calls will increase as pilots normalize what is in the wheel house for EMOTIONAL and STRESS. But, then again, maybe they won't increase, because I have a sneaking suspicion pilots were already using the IMSAFE policy before it was implemented(which used to be considered "sick leave abuse")

interceptorpilo

How old is IMSAFE? I’ve known about it for 20 plus years. Is that relatively new in your book?

Buck Rogers

Well my bad on the "relatively new" verbiage then.

I had never heard of it until about a year ago.

Maybe I'm not as smart as you? Two can play this condescending attitude/back-handed compliment game :>

A coupla of my other "regulars" need to weigh in with their personal insults/slights.

CX500T

It was around and maybe new-ish but not 'just came out' new when I started flying in the 90s.

myrkridia

​​​​​​ We're all guessing here but I doubt a majority of pilots are using the E in IMSAFE to call out sick. Between habits established at the regionals, military mentality and a long established mentality here of completing the mission, I believe most attempt to compartmentalize whatever problems are brewing at home and show up to work. Others pointed out IMSAFE is not new, but I think the strong focus from large corporations to preach mental well-being is relatively new.

konabear

I'm hoping it's user error, but suspect it's not. Is anyone else having difficulty completing either of the Policy and Procedure Review modules in the current quarterly CQ? The first slide begins,"Welcome to the new eLearning format..." When I click on the 'start course' button I get three flashing dots, and the learning stops there.