Originally Posted by StoneQOLdCrazy

Well, who else is going to contractually define it? Because the PWA gives them the unlimited ability to define it however they want.

What is my definition of "abuse?" The only party "abusing" anything is the company, and in this case, it's because we let them. Several folks here have bought in hook, line, and sinker into the unquestioned necessity of "good faith basis," a premise which is rotten to the core.

Allowing a contractual provision that permits company managers to question us and treat us like third graders is one of the crucial failings of our PWA. And pilots turning on themselves with unproven and vague accuations of "abuse" is repugnant. Like Tennisguru alluded to, are pilots flying sick so they aren't at risk of debasing themselves asking for a note? If so, mission accomplished for managment.

We have a provision in the PWA that requires a note, in broad terms, for exceeding 120 hours of sick leave in a rolling 12 bid period timeframe (and let's not forget the rolling 12 bid period concession was also a win for the company and a failure by us). That is perfectly adequate. "GFB" is abhorrent and needs to be negotiated out.

I'm not even going to ask the guys here trying to trap me into admitting there is pilot "abuse," what their own definitions are. I'm sure some of them would point to a "spreadsheet" or some other clown metric produced by mgmt at one point or other with neither context nor methodology. Maybe they heard about a guy who called in sick for every trip. But they'll never talk about the guys who are trying to do the right thing by calling in sick who get caught up in managment's GFB behavioral engineering fly trap.

The question is not how to define pilot sick leave "abuse." The questions are, "why did we give managment the unlimited opportunity to abuse GFB," and "how do we get rid of GFB and stop getting treated like toddlers?" We transport hundreds of people on complex machines, requiring substantial responsibility and professionalism. The flying public put their lives in our hands. Allowing ourselves to get treated in this manner shows a complete lack of self worth and--again--a total lack of unionist philosophy.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

Never was a fan of sick verification and GFB. it's concessionary it's been in the PWA for awhile

C2019 I guess the reps didn't hear enough about it because they didn't try to move the needle other than to slide sick report a whole 20 hours. BFD. GFB is bull sheet. FU I'm sick. That should be the response and our reps should back us up to the mat for saying that. Until enough of us tell management this, we'll be kicked around with GFB.

And I agree with tennis and you. Clowns coming here and talking about spreadsheets and other BS about pilots "abusing" sick is sad. Really sad and it infuriates me.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

Never was a fan of sick verification and GFB. it's concessionary it's been in the PWA for awhile

C2019 I guess the reps didn't hear enough about it because they didn't try to move the needle other than to slide sick report a whole 20 hours. BFD. GFB is bull sheet. FU I'm sick. That should be the response and our reps should back us up to the mat for saying that. Until enough of us tell management this, we'll be kicked around with GFB.

And I agree with tennis and you. Clowns coming here and talking about spreadsheets and other BS about pilots "abusing" sick is sad. Really sad and it infuriates me.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Yup. I'm pretty sure we're the only major airline with this GFB BS.

Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw

To be fair, we're also the only major airline where pilots get up to 270 hours of sick pay to use every June 1.

Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw

To be fair, we're also the only major airline where pilots get up to 270 hours of sick pay to use every June 1.

Originally Posted by The Localizer

question about the spirit passes if anyone has been in this scenario. Unfortunately Delta has changed the flight schedule of my flight home. We are going on a cruise so now we will not be able to make the flight in time because they moved up the departure time. Obviously lesson learned even though i gave myself extra days before the cruise didnt do it after.
1. It says you cant just change one flight of your booking you have to cancel the whole thing and start over, does anyone know if there is a waiting period to rebook or if I will be able to do it right away?
2. If I chose to keep my current flight and we miss it, are we rebooked like another paying passenger or i guess what happens? Im reluctant to cancel this due to availability of seats on this spirit pass.
Thanks

Originally Posted by ancman

Our unique sick pay structure does not justify GFB nor the rampant harassment that occurs here over sick calls.

Originally Posted by Thrust Normal

Just do a chat with reservations on the app. We had an issue on ours where we diverted and missed our connection flight. They were totally helpful. They'll just treat you as a confirmed reservation. Just tell them the time conficts with your cruise and you won't be back in time. I imagine it won't be an issue.