Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
03-26-2024, 04:34 AM
#4901
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I'm somewhat confident that you're not actually dense enough to believe that is the reasoning. As someone that espouses to know much about insider knowledge and bargaining, you would likely also know that the company would paint the most dire financial picture for any provision that isn't in their best interest. Any company provided costing for our sick leave provisions would be skewed towards high utilization and therefore high cost, just as DALPA's costing data would likely skew in the opposite direction.
03-26-2024, 04:45 AM
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I'm somewhat confident that you're not actually dense enough to believe that is the reasoning. As someone that espouses to know much about insider knowledge and bargaining, you would likely also know that the company would paint the most dire financial picture for any provision that isn't in their best interest. Any company provided costing for our sick leave provisions would be skewed towards high utilization and therefore high cost, just as DALPA's costing data would likely skew in the opposite direction.
03-26-2024, 05:19 AM
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They would simply use the historical data when costing sick leave. That's how they arrived at 56 hours post chapter 11 as that was the historical average use. The problem was that sick leave as structured at Delta is a sick and insurance program. That loss caused extreme hardship for some pilots. Many of our CP's told the company how bad the policy was.
03-26-2024, 05:45 AM
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I doubt the company and the union have any real disagreement on sick leave usage. The company allows DALPA full unrestricted access to DBMS. Not once in 35 years did the union ever claim the company manipulated the numbers. This was true even during the sick leave witch hunt during the reign of King Tutt. It resulted in a huge slam dunk Pilot win during arbitration and dethroning the king. There was however no dispute on the numbers during the arbitration.
03-26-2024, 05:46 AM
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I didn't use my label at all in that response, and I never said that your method doesn't work for you either. I said that you're not recovering sick credit, you're just working more and deferring the pay. That's not right or wrong, it just is what it is.
Most pilots here get more than 200 hours of sick time a year, and most probably only use a fraction of it. We should have more ability to use our contractual benefit without having to lie to get it.
Most pilots here get more than 200 hours of sick time a year, and most probably only use a fraction of it. We should have more ability to use our contractual benefit without having to lie to get it.
03-26-2024, 05:47 AM
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I doubt the company and the union have any real disagreement on sick leave usage. The company allows DALPA full unrestricted access to DBMS. Not once in 35 years did the union ever claim the company manipulated the numbers. This was true even during the sick leave witch hunt during the reign of King Tutt. It resulted in a huge slam dunk Pilot win during arbitration however there was no dispute on the numbers.
03-26-2024, 05:54 AM
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Give one example where the union disputed the companies sick data. Again be aware the union can pull the data systemwide, by base, by category and per individual pilot in about 5 minutes. To manipulate that data the company would need to go in a place additional sick calls on pilots schedules. Never heard of that happening.
03-26-2024, 06:03 AM
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Give one example where the union disputed the companies sick data. Again be aware the union can pull the data systemwide, by base, by category and per individual pilot in about 5 minutes. To manipulate that data the company would need to go in a place additional sick calls on pilots schedules. Never heard of that happening.
03-26-2024, 06:06 AM
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I'm still scarred from that to this day
03-26-2024, 06:22 AM
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sick leave usage however has never been in dispute. It would take a major computer fraud that would be illegal and easily detected to pull it off.
Its not quite the same as costing out the impact of normalizing the days in a bid period as a example.
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