Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
03-23-2024, 10:17 AM
#4791
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Unfortunately, even if you buy the days back, it doesn't allow you to bid a separate week. At least that's how it worked out when I tried. It still recognizes it as a supp day (or whatever) and it just made 2nd block of vacation a few days longer. It's a low point in our contract for sure. I can't see any logical reason for this.
03-23-2024, 10:22 AM
#4792
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Obviously it’s a different story if a pilot reaches 120 via one or two long duration sick calls, or if they used fewer than 50 hours of sick in the previous year.
03-23-2024, 10:25 AM
#4794
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Which is that I’m not talking about management’s response (which I agree is over done and heavy handed), rather what I DID talk about is that there absolutely is obvious and statistically provable abuse going on by some pilots, just like the teachers who cheated on standardized tests, or sumo wrestlers who colluded on matches in Freakonomics.
Unconvincing.
03-23-2024, 10:37 AM
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While I agree with your second point, it isn’t really relevant to the conversation, as we could just as easily allow the partial week to be bid separately and have the days at the end removed.
03-23-2024, 10:37 AM
#4796
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So, you don’t believe what I’m telling you I saw with my own eyes. Rather, you think ALPA is a willing shill for management’s crazy schemes? Duly noted.
03-23-2024, 10:38 AM
#4797
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I love that we all constantly and openly talk about next month’s sick calls, taking platinum days, having optical problems on that day, and all the other euphemisms, but are aghast and offended that there might be data to support the idea of sick time being used inappropriately.
03-23-2024, 10:45 AM
#4798
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Unfortunately, even if you buy the days back, it doesn't allow you to bid a separate week. At least that's how it worked out when I tried. It still recognizes it as a supp day (or whatever) and it just made 2nd block of vacation a few days longer. It's a low point in our contract for sure. I can't see any logical reason for this.
This should be an easy fix, but will take attention in C26. There can be no excuse for it anymore.
And while we are at it, we should also fix the fact that someone hired in March gets their next full week of vacation a year before someone hired a few weeks later in April. If they can prorate vacation for a NH’s first year, they can prorate a “partial” 3rd, 4th, and 5th weel. Instead most folks have to wait as many as 11 months to hit the trigger for the next week.
03-23-2024, 11:07 AM
#4799
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Lol, I have zero, ZERO desire or interest in management. But I take your dismissive snub nonetheless. Lol.
You (among others) are missing and misconstruing my point. Which is that I’m not talking about management’s response (which I agree is over done and heavy handed), rather what I DID talk about is that there absolutely is obvious and statistically provable abuse going on by some pilots, just like the teachers who cheated on standardized tests, or sumo wrestlers who colluded on matches in Freakonomics. Writ large, it’s indisputable and obvious.
Maybe I'm a poor communicator, but I don’t get why that’s so hard to grasp.
I will also add, UA and AA have very different sick systems. I’d bet if we were to go from 240-270 hours of sick annually, to a mere 60-70 with “rollover” the squealing would be deafening, and there would not be enough pitchforks and torches for the reps who pushed/allowed it.
You (among others) are missing and misconstruing my point. Which is that I’m not talking about management’s response (which I agree is over done and heavy handed), rather what I DID talk about is that there absolutely is obvious and statistically provable abuse going on by some pilots, just like the teachers who cheated on standardized tests, or sumo wrestlers who colluded on matches in Freakonomics. Writ large, it’s indisputable and obvious.
Maybe I'm a poor communicator, but I don’t get why that’s so hard to grasp.
I will also add, UA and AA have very different sick systems. I’d bet if we were to go from 240-270 hours of sick annually, to a mere 60-70 with “rollover” the squealing would be deafening, and there would not be enough pitchforks and torches for the reps who pushed/allowed it.
03-23-2024, 11:54 AM
#4800
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OK. I appreciate your response but honestly I think YOU are missing the point. The “data” you saw wasn’t data. It was a chart. A chart without context. And a chart that wasn’t sifted through for bias/context. Many of the things that could skew it have been brought up here: total sick calls went up or sick calls per number of hours assigned, was there leveling for time of year that people tend to be sick more?, etc. This is what management does here - present things that have been biased one way or another then present as fact. That’s why I asked you to not go into management.
A simple plot with 365 segments of “# pilots on sick per day”. Sure there could be ‘factors’ within that simple data, but when every single peak, several orders of magnitude high above an otherwise flat baseline, is 100% correlated to a holiday, Valentine’s Day, Super Bowl, and May, a 6 year old can grasp the bigger picture in one glance.
Look, ALPA has its faults, and needs to be taken with a grain of salt a times, ok? But you are sticking your head in the sand if you just wave all this away.
I’m done. Believe what you want.
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