Originally Posted by FangsF15

I will also add, UA and AA have very different sick systems. I’d bet if we were to go from 240-270 hours of sick annually, to a mere 60-70 with “rollover” the squealing would be deafening, and there would not be enough pitchforks and torches for the reps who pushed/allowed it.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

Hey Goober. Quit setting your sights so low

This is APC where one demands 240-270 hours sick annually and also demand it be accruable with rollover, and can be used as PTO and cashed out in full at retirement.

What's wrong with you and that management shill Sailing?

You guys are the line pilots worst enemy!

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Lol, I have zero, ZERO desire or interest in management. But I take your dismissive snub nonetheless. Lol.

You (among others) are missing and misconstruing my point. Which is that I’m not talking about management’s response (which I agree is over done and heavy handed), rather what I DID talk about is that there absolutely is obvious and statistically provable abuse going on by some pilots, just like the teachers who cheated on standardized tests, or sumo wrestlers who colluded on matches in Freakonomics. Writ large, it’s indisputable and obvious.

Maybe I'm a poor communicator, but I don’t get why that’s so hard to grasp.

I will also add, UA and AA have very different sick systems. I’d bet if we were to go from 240-270 hours of sick annually, to a mere 60-70 with “rollover” the squealing would be deafening, and there would not be enough pitchforks and torches for the reps who pushed/allowed it.

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Lol, whatever. You forgot your <sarc> tags again. lol.

Originally Posted by OOfff

I want time off (but I’d never falsify a sick call, nobody ever would)

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

I consider it my trolling vendetta, looking to hook the humor/logic stunted types.

It's almost as easy as fishing with dynamite and hand grenades! ;>
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Originally Posted by OOfff

I, for one, would rather have 120 hours of zero verification sick time and even more with verification than 60-70 hours with a bank I can sit on until retirement. I have enough retirement savings, I want time off…

Originally Posted by FangsF15

Me too. The fact is, we have more zero verification sick annually than AA or UA does combined.

Folks who have a brush with disability should thank heavens for our system. It provides two additional full pay months annually over what AA or UA provide. And, those who are in the gap between our systems, who don’t go on disability, also don’t lose profit sharing, vacation accrual, or the ability to bid your last week in as a stand alone.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

Kinda like an paid APD. What a novel (not, we had that before) idea.

We actually have all the above benefits. You just need to be familiar with the PWA and how the different banks work.

Originally Posted by ohaiyo

What does this mean?

Originally Posted by Gone Flying

We earn vacation by week, we also bid for them in week increments. If you have an event (like spending any amount of time on LTD, even a day) that causes DL to pro rate your vacation, you will no longer have a full week. If this happens you will not be able to bid for that week individually.

example. You have been here 7 years and have 3 weeks vacation. You break your leg and have to go on LTD for a few weeks. Because of this you lose 1 vacation day for the following year. For Your next year’s vacation instead of biding for 3 weeks vacation you will only be able to bid for 2 and have the remaining days added to one of your other vacation weeks.