DWC CAP10 USAF

But you weren't RR'd before airborne....your leg cancelled (which meets IROP definition) so they made changes and what you see now is your 23K recovery rotation. The "23K" I think you are alluding too doesn't mean you do / do not have 23K...it's just a pay code to make sure someone looks at the rotation to make you are paid correctly (higher of original award or what you actually flew).

Easiet is to call scheds and just ask them to confirm that the rotation you have on your schedule now is in fact your 23K recovery rotation due to the cancelled leg IROP....if they say yes, then it's legit...I would acknowlege right away.

They can't make a 2nd change (double 23K) unless they invoke travel waivers and name the airports that are affected.

CX500T

Based on current retirements, EOY 23, I'm 60% system seniority *just under 10,000*
EOY 25, assuming no early retirements, I'm 53%.

I get to 40% in 2030 but then it goes very, very slow for me after that, because all but the youngest pre 9/11 hires will be aged out. I retire around 2700. IF I make it to 65. I likely will not based on family medical history, relatively severe injuries I have had, and a cardiac SI that is one bad EKG away from "you never fly again".

So for guys like me, who are already well into our 40s, (50 is closer than 40 now) a couple years going to say 10% of current progression NOW makes a big difference.. Because I'm not likely to see 67 other than 50% of my high 12 in 36.

I'm currently 80% on NYC ER. As of now I move about 5% a year until any realistic retirement of the category, (2032) and retire around 15% in seat. 2 years stopping basically means losing a fair amount of movement now. Now closer to the end of my career, where I'm only moving 1-2% a year once all but the anomalously young of the pre-2014 hires are retired (a TON of the 2014-17 hires are younger than me) it wouldn't affect me as much being stuck at 18% when I was only gonna pick up 3 more percent between 60 and 65. I will never see a "true widebody" save as the plug my last couple years. So the ER is as good as it gets for me.

And all these number I just pulled from the ALPA dashboard so it's not just me blowing smoke out my posterior.

Hotel Kilo

Oh man, no need to apologize to me. It's all good, we are just having a conversation, that's all, nothing more.

Hotel Kilo

For some on the sneiority list, yes, I will aquiesce that.

Hotel Kilo

Maybe they have, but its shoulder time. Let's see how summer plays out.

CBreezy

Shoulder and better staffing COULD have something to do with it but they've been hot garbage since 2018 year round.

OOfff

the Union is us. Saying “the Union” owes you something is saying that I owe you something.

I’ve never said you owe me anything, as you’ll see in the post you quoted.

Hotel Kilo

To truly understand what happened post 9/11 I guess you had to be here in the industry at the time. I don't mean to be condescending with that comment, it's just the reality of times we faced. We had bankruptcies, aweful economy, all sorts of things and external pressures affecting us at that time. We did have to make concessions. So did many others. The fact we gave on scope was just fall out from all of the additive effects from the world situation. We did not have any very good options at that time. Mind you this went on for almost a decade. So yes, sorry we did what we did however there were no decent off ramps during those times. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I would be curious to see how you guys would react if a similar situation presented itself. It's easy to toss stones at us, but you were not here and did not face the decisions we all had to make at that time. We were definately in survival mode. Not just here at DAL but UAL AA etc.

Hotel Kilo

We'll soon see about that won't we.

CX500T

Oh, I'm sure there's something that my "cohort" (generation is a bad term in my opinion) would do if we had Covid-2 Electric Boogalo combined with a near-peer hot war, that the guys just now starting to fly would be ****ed off at /annoyed at us for 20 years post decision. We saw first hand the effects of bottom end scope, so we will probably find a new way to cause unintended 2nd and 3rd order effects 20 years later.

I wasn't in 121 on 9/11, but I have been flying since 1994.

And spend a lot more of my 20s than planned in the middle east only to be thrown out on the street as Iraq was "ending" while having the worst pilot hiring market in years. One thing that a lot of people don't often realize unless they lived the whole shebang, was how damn long Afghanistan lasted. It was longer than Vietnam, and that's counting the first nine years where we were "Advisors" and not a hot war. Me and a lot of my friends were on AD on 9/11, we got IA'd, GSA'd, then Stop-Lossed, followed by on the street with 6 months notice when it was politically convienient then recalled from the IRR.. Again, not 121, but a bunch of us did that, only to be on our asses in our 30s doing crap jobs to maybe get on with a major in our late 30s if we were lucky.