Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
12-17-2023, 09:25 AM
#3741
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have you not read anything I've posted here? Did you not see about how many times I told you guys I voted YES for C19 just becasue of that simple fact you state above? Stop looking for a fight here. True, I am not a fan of soft pay. Becasue the compnay can drag out paying you ad infinitum if the so decide. Not much the union can do about it either other than file grievance(s) that take years to work thru the sausage mill. I think rates/LBP is a better way to go. That's me and that's based on being in the industry for decades thru the ups, and downs. My opinion only about it. We could have done much better on C19 but took the easy exit. Never will you see a better negotiating environment for pilots than we had over the life of C19 negotitations. We blew a golden opportunity to really benefit the whole seniority list.
12-17-2023, 09:33 AM
#3742
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have you not read anything I've posted here? Did you not see about how many times I told you guys I voted YES for C19 just becasue of that simple fact you state above? Stop looking for a fight here. True, I am not a fan of soft pay. Becasue the compnay can drag out paying you ad infinitum if the so decide. Not much the union can do about it either other than file grievance(s) that take years to work thru the sausage mill. I think rates/LBP is a better way to go. That's me and that's based on being in the industry for decades thru the ups, and downs. My opinion only about it. We could have done much better on C19 but took the easy exit. Never will you see a better negotiating environment for pilots than we had over the life of C19 negotitations. We blew a golden opportunity to really benefit the whole seniority list.
12-17-2023, 09:35 AM
#3743
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Oh yeah we got lucky with the gov stepping in. But I have no doubts our management wouldn’t hesitate for a second to displace/cut pilots loose. They have proven to err on the side of over react vs under react.
12-17-2023, 09:38 AM
#3745
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That's being disingenous and not exactly how it all went down. ALPA has some good history on the website about our historical contracts and highlights. Its a good break down of where we were and how we got back concessions from the BK time.
12-17-2023, 09:40 AM
#3746
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I respect your opinion on soft pay. I don’t agree with it but I don’t have to, you are certainly entitled to feel any way you like about it. That comment of mine was in response to your “they are drunk on soft pay” comment. If you are going to throw stuff like that out, I’ll happily throw out that the reason we like it is because it has improved both our paychecks and QOL.
Further, inflation adjusted plus significant increased rates would do the same, for more and benefit us all. As would LBP. Done beating that horse. Maybe one day, many years from now, you will underestand why some of us long termers like LBP and rates versus soft items. There's a reason they are called "soft" BTW.
12-17-2023, 09:41 AM
#3747
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12-17-2023, 09:44 AM
#3748
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Yes NYC layover - it was a weird flt number in the 9000s and operate one leg the next day JFK to LAX. So not just flying to reroute but a different city pair, albeit all NYC.
In any case I will PM you - I am airborne in the bunk on my iPhone so my ability to do research is limited.
Thanks Scoop
In any case I will PM you - I am airborne in the bunk on my iPhone so my ability to do research is limited.
Thanks Scoop
Original rotation had a DH to JFK, that flight cancelled. That makes this an IROP. (single 23K)
New rotation has a DH to LGA, same layover, rest of trip same. It reports about an hour after original report. This appears to be a legal 23K recovery, but should be noted as such.
Rest of trip beyond NYC layover is the same.
I think this falls under IROP due to CANX flight, and an IROP drives a legal SINGLE 23K recovery which this appears to be but should be noted on his schedule.
I am not an ALPA scheduling guy, I just get a lot of reroutes and am trying to sanity check this. I think it's legal as long as it gets a 23K tag on it.
12-17-2023, 09:47 AM
#3749
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Are work rules soft pay? Has the company changed its behavior? Are rotations improving? Don't cross the streams here. Last time I checked, you can still get RR. They can still work you into off days. We still have GFB for sick. We still have on and aon and on. Soft pay did not fix that. Or the rotations, you just get paid for some of that pain. Maybe. If you audit regularly. On your own time. And don't get me started about the batch size capitulation.
12-17-2023, 09:49 AM
#3750
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In my case it was operate LGA-ATL, DH ATL-LGA
I picked it up because my previous day was noncommutable home, and I was going to DDH ATL-ORF to go home. Get home about 4 hours later than original for 10:30 more money. Ended up reroute prior to first airbone, but then the DH to OP is not a reroute and as long as we tell you prior to brake set it's FAR legal.
They notified us once airbone.. They had called my phone and left a VM about the RR before push. Phone was off already.
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