Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
12-17-2023, 08:05 AM
#3721
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In my day, you were a 727 engineer, got furloughed, came back as a Maddog copilot, and couldn't even hold right seat in an ER at 6 years, much less think about left seat in anything.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
No amount of money will make you “whole”. It’s a pride thing.
Where you came from and what you did before coming here absolutely matters! A career is a whole. Pilots were impacted by bankruptcy who weren’t here yet.
12-17-2023, 08:06 AM
#3722
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,005
BTW, CX500: Great life story. I’ll fly with you anytime over some boring Nick B type who has nothing but negative vibes and Delta stories.
12-17-2023, 08:18 AM
#3723
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: UNA
Posts: 4,681
If the struggles of the lost decade pilots don’t matter, the struggles of the self described “deadzoners” shouldn’t either.
12-17-2023, 08:23 AM
#3724
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Posts: 3,303
I actually don't think he was ever furloughed. He's never answered me when I question him about it.. always just nebulously refers to other pilots.
12-17-2023, 08:24 AM
#3726
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In my day, you were a 727 engineer, got furloughed, came back as a Maddog copilot, and couldn't even hold right seat in an ER at 6 years, much less think about left seat in anything.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
ATL 320b has around 100-150 pilots senior to 9,000 and some could even be WB CA if they wanted. JR 13500 ER CA will stay stuck for some time on Reserve.
It’s like the Regional Street CA, it’s all great with money and bonuses, then senior pilots start upgrading and they are in the bottom screaming. I can assure you, some of them are not happy to be working on the holidays for at least 5-8 more yrs. That’s a lot of time with the family gone.
Yesterday a 60yr old CA died, man but those 2 more yrs to 67 are more important to some.
Covid was a strange phenomena in our industry. The Veop helped most of the pilots in property. If Delta would’ve kept most of them we would’ve seen all these JR CAs. We wouldn’t hired more 4,000 pilots in 2 yrs. If the government wouldn’t gave money like crazy, all this profit in 2023 wouldn’t happened.
I for once I’m grateful for the good things. But there has to be some perspective, some people got it more worse than you and some will have it easier. If you have kids, they are the ones having it easier, so you bashing the JR guys is like bashing your kids and their generation.
12-17-2023, 08:42 AM
#3727
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: NYC 7ERA
Posts: 2,105
In my day, you were a 727 engineer, got furloughed, came back as a Maddog copilot, and couldn't even hold right seat in an ER at 6 years, much less think about left seat in anything.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
I don't care what happened to you before I got to Delta, because you have stated you don't care what happened to me before Delta, even though a lot of it was in fact attributable to the bottom end scope decisions made by pilots before my time.
The loudest screamers of "I need X MORE YEARS" are invariably the guys who complain about the under-30 new hires, when they were hired under 30.. Often well under 30.
A few of the largest 65+ screamers I flew with, that now have retirement pics up in the JFK lounge or have recently, who complained about the under 30 year old New Hires, well, thier pics state "Captain X has flown X Y Z aircraft in their 35-40 years of service at Delta"
Which means, they too were hired under 30.
Applying your "What happended before your DOH doesn't matter" goes both ways.
Also, when self proclaimed DZers who "need more time" show me pics of their multi million dollar house, their vacation house that is bigger/nicer than my actual house, and their Class A RV/Airplane/Boat you can't pull with a pickup.. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. You might have to sell you $3M house in Smokerise NJ and move into your $800k condo in Florida.
12-17-2023, 08:46 AM
#3728
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You realize a lot of the reason me and others were "not here" was because you guys voted away bottome end scope and caused the RJ issue right?
I don't care what happened to you before I got to Delta, because you have stated you don't care what happened to me before Delta, even though a lot of it was in fact attributable to the bottom end scope decisions made by pilots before my time.
The loudest screamers of "I need X MORE YEARS" are invariably the guys who complain about the under-30 new hires, when they were hired under 30.. Often well under 30.
A few of the largest 65+ screamers I flew with, that now have retirement pics up in the JFK lounge or have recently, who complained about the under 30 year old New Hires, well, thier pics state "Captain X has flown X Y Z aircraft in their 35-40 years of service at Delta"
Which means, they too were hired under 30.
Applying your "What happended before your DOH doesn't matter" goes both ways.
Also, when self proclaimed DZers who "need more time" show me pics of their multi million dollar house, their vacation house that is bigger/nicer than my actual house, and their Class A RV/Airplane/Boat you can't pull with a pickup.. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. You might have to sell you $3M house in Smokerise NJ and move into your $800k condo in Florida.
I don't care what happened to you before I got to Delta, because you have stated you don't care what happened to me before Delta, even though a lot of it was in fact attributable to the bottom end scope decisions made by pilots before my time.
The loudest screamers of "I need X MORE YEARS" are invariably the guys who complain about the under-30 new hires, when they were hired under 30.. Often well under 30.
A few of the largest 65+ screamers I flew with, that now have retirement pics up in the JFK lounge or have recently, who complained about the under 30 year old New Hires, well, thier pics state "Captain X has flown X Y Z aircraft in their 35-40 years of service at Delta"
Which means, they too were hired under 30.
Applying your "What happended before your DOH doesn't matter" goes both ways.
Also, when self proclaimed DZers who "need more time" show me pics of their multi million dollar house, their vacation house that is bigger/nicer than my actual house, and their Class A RV/Airplane/Boat you can't pull with a pickup.. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. You might have to sell you $3M house in Smokerise NJ and move into your $800k condo in Florida.
12-17-2023, 08:53 AM
#3729
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,305
You realize a lot of the reason me and others were "not here" was because you guys voted away bottome end scope and caused the RJ issue right?
I don't care what happened to you before I got to Delta, because you have stated you don't care what happened to me before Delta, even though a lot of it was in fact attributable to the bottom end scope decisions made by pilots before my time.
The loudest screamers of "I need X MORE YEARS" are invariably the guys who complain about the under-30 new hires, when they were hired under 30.. Often well under 30.
A few of the largest 65+ screamers I flew with, that now have retirement pics up in the JFK lounge or have recently, who complained about the under 30 year old New Hires, well, thier pics state "Captain X has flown X Y Z aircraft in their 35-40 years of service at Delta"
Which means, they too were hired under 30.
Applying your "What happended before your DOH doesn't matter" goes both ways.
Also, when self proclaimed DZers who "need more time" show me pics of their multi million dollar house, their vacation house that is bigger/nicer than my actual house, and their Class A RV/Airplane/Boat you can't pull with a pickup.. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. You might have to sell you $3M house in Smokerise NJ and move into your $800k condo in Florida.
I don't care what happened to you before I got to Delta, because you have stated you don't care what happened to me before Delta, even though a lot of it was in fact attributable to the bottom end scope decisions made by pilots before my time.
The loudest screamers of "I need X MORE YEARS" are invariably the guys who complain about the under-30 new hires, when they were hired under 30.. Often well under 30.
A few of the largest 65+ screamers I flew with, that now have retirement pics up in the JFK lounge or have recently, who complained about the under 30 year old New Hires, well, thier pics state "Captain X has flown X Y Z aircraft in their 35-40 years of service at Delta"
Which means, they too were hired under 30.
Applying your "What happended before your DOH doesn't matter" goes both ways.
Also, when self proclaimed DZers who "need more time" show me pics of their multi million dollar house, their vacation house that is bigger/nicer than my actual house, and their Class A RV/Airplane/Boat you can't pull with a pickup.. It falls on deaf ears. Yeah. You might have to sell you $3M house in Smokerise NJ and move into your $800k condo in Florida.
And I’m not even being sarcastic, unfortunately. He said it.
Empathy only goes one way apparently, and it’s up to future generations of pilots to make sure it starts to go both ways.
12-17-2023, 08:59 AM
#3730
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Position: NYC 7ERA
Posts: 2,105
My wife descibes me as "Redneck Sheldon" (Big Bang Theory reference) which is funny because she is an Ivy League graduate uber-geek who somewhat resembles the woman who plays Sheldon's girlfriend.
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