Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
12-17-2023, 06:31 AM
#3711
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,518
Come on, you can do better than that.
-and- not -then-
Better?
Tell us again how much you struggled. How was the F15? Bet tricare is better than our insurance. Must be nice to have that check of the month to float the down years of this industry. Bet the steak at the O club was great.
-and- not -then-
Better?
Tell us again how much you struggled. How was the F15? Bet tricare is better than our insurance. Must be nice to have that check of the month to float the down years of this industry. Bet the steak at the O club was great.
12-17-2023, 06:33 AM
#3712
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,232
12-17-2023, 06:40 AM
#3713
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 425
Well, his shortfalls and your windfalls were your fault. Also, you have no shortfalls and his career was worse than Pete Best. He deserves more than the generation “that thinks they're special and unique and deserve better treatment” because reasons. If you don’t understand reasons then you don’t understand much, Junior.
12-17-2023, 06:43 AM
#3714
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 670
Well, his shortfalls and your windfalls were your fault. Also, you have no shortfalls and his career was worse than Pete Best. He deserves more than the generation “that thinks they're special and unique and deserve better treatment” because reasons. If you don’t understand reasons then you don’t understand much, Junior.
12-17-2023, 06:44 AM
#3715
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Position: NYC 7ERA
Posts: 2,055
Oh no. Junior won't make ER Captain after a year any more because some of the guys who took 15 years to hold that get 2 more years in the seat and can actually still hold a medical. What a rip off.
Oh no, the guy who upgraded to Captain in ATL in 2 years may have to sit on reserve 2 extra years because the guy who couldn't even hold 88 Captain in ATL for 10 years gets 2 more years if he can hold a medical. What a tragedy. So unfair.
Oh no, the guy who upgraded to Captain in ATL in 2 years may have to sit on reserve 2 extra years because the guy who couldn't even hold 88 Captain in ATL for 10 years gets 2 more years if he can hold a medical. What a tragedy. So unfair.
I have been here just under 6 years. I turned 40 in indoc.
In those 6 years, I have been:
7ER FO
Awarded 73N Captain, then award cancelled, back to 7ER
UNA
*Peaced out on Mil Leave for 18 months*
320 Captain
About to go to 7ER Captain training.
Shall we cover my career from age 30-40?
Forced out of the Navy during drawdowns. Flew as a CFI and occasional ferry pilot to keep current, but did the following to keep food on the table.
Went to work throwing drill pipe on an oil rig because the only flying job that would hire me was Great Lakes, and you aren't paying a mortgage or supporting a family on $15,000 a year.
Then got laid off from that job and went and worked offshore oil. Was a commissioning engineer on the second pipe for NordStream. Laid off when the job was over and Keystone XL was getting delayed.
Then worked the ATEX pipeline, which was the reversal of the WWII era big inch pipeline to run NGLs from the shale projects in PA and NY down to the refinery in TX. Actually not laid off from this job.
Involuntarily recalled to active duty from the IRR. Non flying job. 2 years. Apparently they needed a pilot, with a TS/SCI who spoke Latvian. That pretty much was me and one other guy. Lost currency as I couldn't CFI/Ferry to keep current.
Then used some contacts I made on my involuntary recall to get a job at a lets just say less than reputable King Air operator overseas. But it was a job and flying. (the pipeline job I left to go on mil leave, had ended, so no USERRA protections, and I needed a job and this worked)
Year and change there then jumped to a more reputable contractor.
When I first got my 73N Captain award, I had a Captain on the ER, "I HAD TO BE AT DELTA FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE I COULD HOLD CAPTAIN ON ANYTHING! THEY STOLE MY PENSION! HARRUMPH" instead of a "congrats" or even neutral. It was a LOOOONG 5 day.
I asked him how old he was when he could hold Captain. "37".. So hired at 23-24. And throwing shade at "lost generation" guys who had either done completley random jobs while trying to stay current, or stuck at regional/shady 135s for a decade plus.
12-17-2023, 06:51 AM
#3717
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,518
You do realize not all of us "juniors" are 23 years old in indoc taking a 767 to Europe at 25 right?
I have been here just under 6 years. I turned 40 in indoc.
In those 6 years, I have been:
7ER FO
Awarded 73N Captain, then award cancelled, back to 7ER
UNA
*Peaced out on Mil Leave for 18 months*
320 Captain
About to go to 7ER Captain training.
Shall we cover my career from age 30-40?
Forced out of the Navy during drawdowns. Flew as a CFI and occasional ferry pilot to keep current, but did the following to keep food on the table.
Went to work throwing drill pipe on an oil rig because the only flying job that would hire me was Great Lakes, and you aren't paying a mortgage or supporting a family on $15,000 a year.
Then got laid off from that job and went and worked offshore oil. Was a commissioning engineer on the second pipe for NordStream. Laid off when the job was over and Keystone XL was getting delayed.
Then worked the ATEX pipeline, which was the reversal of the WWII era big inch pipeline to run NGLs from the shale projects in PA and NY down to the refinery in TX. Actually not laid off from this job.
Involuntarily recalled to active duty from the IRR. Non flying job. 2 years. Apparently they needed a pilot, with a TS/SCI who spoke Latvian. That pretty much was me and one other guy. Lost currency as I couldn't CFI/Ferry to keep current.
Then used some contacts I made on my involuntary recall to get a job at a lets just say less than reputable King Air operator overseas. But it was a job and flying. (the pipeline job I left to go on mil leave, had ended, so no USERRA protections, and I needed a job and this worked)
Year and change there then jumped to a more reputable contractor.
When I first got my 73N Captain award, I had a Captain on the ER, "I HAD TO BE AT DELTA FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE I COULD HOLD CAPTAIN ON ANYTHING! THEY STOLE MY PENSION! HARRUMPH" instead of a "congrats" or even neutral. It was a LOOOONG 5 day.
I asked him how old he was when he could hold Captain. "37".. So hired at 23-24. And throwing shade at "lost generation" guys who had either done completley random jobs while trying to stay current, or stuck at regional/shady 135s for a decade plus.
I have been here just under 6 years. I turned 40 in indoc.
In those 6 years, I have been:
7ER FO
Awarded 73N Captain, then award cancelled, back to 7ER
UNA
*Peaced out on Mil Leave for 18 months*
320 Captain
About to go to 7ER Captain training.
Shall we cover my career from age 30-40?
Forced out of the Navy during drawdowns. Flew as a CFI and occasional ferry pilot to keep current, but did the following to keep food on the table.
Went to work throwing drill pipe on an oil rig because the only flying job that would hire me was Great Lakes, and you aren't paying a mortgage or supporting a family on $15,000 a year.
Then got laid off from that job and went and worked offshore oil. Was a commissioning engineer on the second pipe for NordStream. Laid off when the job was over and Keystone XL was getting delayed.
Then worked the ATEX pipeline, which was the reversal of the WWII era big inch pipeline to run NGLs from the shale projects in PA and NY down to the refinery in TX. Actually not laid off from this job.
Involuntarily recalled to active duty from the IRR. Non flying job. 2 years. Apparently they needed a pilot, with a TS/SCI who spoke Latvian. That pretty much was me and one other guy. Lost currency as I couldn't CFI/Ferry to keep current.
Then used some contacts I made on my involuntary recall to get a job at a lets just say less than reputable King Air operator overseas. But it was a job and flying. (the pipeline job I left to go on mil leave, had ended, so no USERRA protections, and I needed a job and this worked)
Year and change there then jumped to a more reputable contractor.
When I first got my 73N Captain award, I had a Captain on the ER, "I HAD TO BE AT DELTA FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE I COULD HOLD CAPTAIN ON ANYTHING! THEY STOLE MY PENSION! HARRUMPH" instead of a "congrats" or even neutral. It was a LOOOONG 5 day.
I asked him how old he was when he could hold Captain. "37".. So hired at 23-24. And throwing shade at "lost generation" guys who had either done completley random jobs while trying to stay current, or stuck at regional/shady 135s for a decade plus.
12-17-2023, 06:55 AM
#3718
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 425
I understand someone coming up on the end of the career wanting to continue. It’s bittersweet. I’m sure perspective changes as you get closer. You knew it was coming, but you are being told you are no longer capable of doing something you’ve been doing your entire life and you still have more left in the tank.
If you want to argue that, I can empathize.
What “junior” has is irrelevant. Junior didn’t take your retirement, make you plumb the 727, or cause you any hardship. Who knows the hardships ahead?
If you want to argue that, I can empathize.
What “junior” has is irrelevant. Junior didn’t take your retirement, make you plumb the 727, or cause you any hardship. Who knows the hardships ahead?
12-17-2023, 06:56 AM
#3719
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 670
You do realize not all of us "juniors" are 23 years old in indoc taking a 767 to Europe at 25 right?
I have been here just under 6 years. I turned 40 in indoc.
In those 6 years, I have been:
7ER FO
Awarded 73N Captain, then award cancelled, back to 7ER
UNA
*Peaced out on Mil Leave for 18 months*
320 Captain
About to go to 7ER Captain training.
Shall we cover my career from age 30-40?
Forced out of the Navy during drawdowns. Flew as a CFI and occasional ferry pilot to keep current, but did the following to keep food on the table.
Went to work throwing drill pipe on an oil rig because the only flying job that would hire me was Great Lakes, and you aren't paying a mortgage or supporting a family on $15,000 a year.
Then got laid off from that job and went and worked offshore oil. Was a commissioning engineer on the second pipe for NordStream. Laid off when the job was over and Keystone XL was getting delayed.
Then worked the ATEX pipeline, which was the reversal of the WWII era big inch pipeline to run NGLs from the shale projects in PA and NY down to the refinery in TX. Actually not laid off from this job.
Involuntarily recalled to active duty from the IRR. Non flying job. 2 years. Apparently they needed a pilot, with a TS/SCI who spoke Latvian. That pretty much was me and one other guy. Lost currency as I couldn't CFI/Ferry to keep current.
Then used some contacts I made on my involuntary recall to get a job at a lets just say less than reputable King Air operator overseas. But it was a job and flying. (the pipeline job I left to go on mil leave, had ended, so no USERRA protections, and I needed a job and this worked)
Year and change there then jumped to a more reputable contractor.
When I first got my 73N Captain award, I had a Captain on the ER, "I HAD TO BE AT DELTA FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE I COULD HOLD CAPTAIN ON ANYTHING! THEY STOLE MY PENSION! HARRUMPH" instead of a "congrats" or even neutral. It was a LOOOONG 5 day.
I asked him how old he was when he could hold Captain. "37".. So hired at 23-24. And throwing shade at "lost generation" guys who had either done completley random jobs while trying to stay current, or stuck at regional/shady 135s for a decade plus.
I have been here just under 6 years. I turned 40 in indoc.
In those 6 years, I have been:
7ER FO
Awarded 73N Captain, then award cancelled, back to 7ER
UNA
*Peaced out on Mil Leave for 18 months*
320 Captain
About to go to 7ER Captain training.
Shall we cover my career from age 30-40?
Forced out of the Navy during drawdowns. Flew as a CFI and occasional ferry pilot to keep current, but did the following to keep food on the table.
Went to work throwing drill pipe on an oil rig because the only flying job that would hire me was Great Lakes, and you aren't paying a mortgage or supporting a family on $15,000 a year.
Then got laid off from that job and went and worked offshore oil. Was a commissioning engineer on the second pipe for NordStream. Laid off when the job was over and Keystone XL was getting delayed.
Then worked the ATEX pipeline, which was the reversal of the WWII era big inch pipeline to run NGLs from the shale projects in PA and NY down to the refinery in TX. Actually not laid off from this job.
Involuntarily recalled to active duty from the IRR. Non flying job. 2 years. Apparently they needed a pilot, with a TS/SCI who spoke Latvian. That pretty much was me and one other guy. Lost currency as I couldn't CFI/Ferry to keep current.
Then used some contacts I made on my involuntary recall to get a job at a lets just say less than reputable King Air operator overseas. But it was a job and flying. (the pipeline job I left to go on mil leave, had ended, so no USERRA protections, and I needed a job and this worked)
Year and change there then jumped to a more reputable contractor.
When I first got my 73N Captain award, I had a Captain on the ER, "I HAD TO BE AT DELTA FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE I COULD HOLD CAPTAIN ON ANYTHING! THEY STOLE MY PENSION! HARRUMPH" instead of a "congrats" or even neutral. It was a LOOOONG 5 day.
I asked him how old he was when he could hold Captain. "37".. So hired at 23-24. And throwing shade at "lost generation" guys who had either done completley random jobs while trying to stay current, or stuck at regional/shady 135s for a decade plus.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
12-17-2023, 07:04 AM
#3720
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,731
In my day, you were a 727 engineer, got furloughed, came back as a Maddog copilot, and couldn't even hold right seat in an ER at 6 years, much less think about left seat in anything.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
The rest of that, I don't care what you did before Delta. None of it matters.
Its unreal progression that you'll be captaining an ER to Europe after only 6 years at this company. We couldn't dream of that. So I don't think a few extra pilots staying 2 extra years is really going to put you out that much, but it's going to be a huge difference to make us whole. Fortunately, congress is listening to us and our lobbyists, not you or ALPO.
what happened to you before we got here doesn’t matter, either. We don’t owe you anything for your struggles.
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