Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo

They are drunk on "soft pay" James. Many that are with us now haven't seen a real downturn. I couldn't agree with you more about the massive displacements. That's when pay rates/LBP really help out. We're headed for another major downturn. Maybe then they will open their minds to what we've been talking about. But heck, what do we know anyway. Take care buddy have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

I do agree that soft pay is a good thing, but it gets cut along with the seat one is in. Those 13,XXX seniority -ER captains' soft pay will be reduced along with their hard pay when they are sent to a lesser paying airplane. Again, I'm spitting in the wind in all of this, but I do enjoy the debate.

And Merry Christmas to you as well.

Originally Posted by First Break

In C1996, Conflicting trips were paid from your vacation bank. In other words, you were robbing from future vacation pay if your conflicted trips had a higher value than the week of vacation. C1996 did in fact have 6 weeks after 25 years of service, with a total bank value of 147:00, or 3:30 per day.

Going back to C1990, there was a 7th week after 30 years of service, but conflicting trips were paid for the primary vacation only. Otherwise, the daily rate was 2:30 for a line holder, and 2:15-2:25 for a reserve depending on the number of days in a month.

For reference, C2019 will have a bank value of 160:25 for anyone with 16 years of service, which is a high water mark for total vacation value at Delta.

Beware of revisionist history lessons.

It’s a valid debate as to more weeks versus higher daily credit.

One man’s opinion, but vacation daily value is far more powerful than additional vacation days, assuming the total value is equal.

Higher daily value applies to everyone, and an added side effect is it allows maximum schedule flexibility in months with vacation.

For example: 2 weeks of vacation worth 2:15 per day only leaves a 2 week window to fly the remaining credit for the month. 1 week of vacation worth 4:30 per day provides the same amount of time off as the previous scenario, but allows a 3 week window to bid the remaining flying. Either scenario ends up with exactly the same amount of flying and days off in the bid month.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

But you are living the very definition of insanity by continuing to do what has always been done and then complaining when things go awry.

Originally Posted by OOfff

you clearly don’t enjoy the debate since when you’re pressed for any details (such as how, exactly we negotiate unequal raises for everyone when you already say you were “thrown under the bus” by unequal pay banding raises) you just hand wave it away with “I already explained this,” despite never having done so.

Originally Posted by 180ToAJ

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is not the definition of insanity. It never has been. It’s a quote misattributed to Albert Einstein.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It certainly is a trait of insanity, and I don't recall mentioning Mr Einstein in my post.

Originally Posted by JamesBond

Cool story. thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by 180ToAJ

Nope, it’s just something someone made up, somehow it got attributed to Einstein, and now people regurgitate it.
Anyone who has learned an instrument or played a sport has done the same thing over and over hoping for better results.

Originally Posted by OOfff

thanks for never sharing any answers to the questions people pose in the debates you love.