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Old 11-09-2023, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by iLikeMoose
Looking at the bid awards in November on the 73N, I’m a little perplexed as a new guy. In MSP, the bottom 5/6 pilots have lines with very little coverage awards (and with Thanksgiving off). In ATL, the bottom 40ish or so are reserve (with almost no coverage awards), and lots of coverage awards when you do get to the bottom lineholders.

Why is holding a line so much more senior in ATL? Is it just that there are a lot of commuters from Florida, whereas not a lot of commuters to the traditionally more senior MSP base? Is the flying less appealing in ATL?
ATL=Commuter base
MSP+good reserve system=OMG I wasn’t senior enough to hold reserve!
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Old 11-09-2023, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
ATL=Commuter base
MSP+good reserve system=OMG I wasn’t senior enough to hold reserve!
What does that even mean?
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Old 11-09-2023, 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
What does that even mean?
There’s probably a higher % of non commuters in MSP, so more people living in base want to take reserve, as opposed to more commuter heavy bases where people prefer lines.
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Old 11-09-2023, 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
There’s probably a higher % of non commuters in MSP, so more people living in base want to take reserve, as opposed to more commuter heavy bases where people prefer lines.
Under the current reserve system, it's significantly less undesirable to be on reserve as a commuter. I don't know that that is the reason
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Old 11-09-2023, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
There’s probably a higher % of non commuters in MSP, so more people living in base want to take reserve, as opposed to more commuter heavy bases where people prefer lines.
Sailing is right. I'm on the 320 and have been based in MSP since summer of 2019. I've probably flown with less than 10 FO's that commute in over 4 years. It's probably closer to 5, but that number is hard for even me to believe when I type it. I'm one of the few commuters in that base. In the fall and winter, except for holiday months, a LOT of the senior guys bid reserve, and junior guys get "stuck" with lines.
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Old 11-09-2023, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Sailing is right. I'm on the 320 and have been based in MSP since summer of 2019. I've probably flown with less than 10 FO's that commute in over 4 years. It's probably closer to 5, but that number is hard for even me to believe when I type it. I'm one of the few commuters in that base. In the fall and winter, except for holiday months, a LOT of the senior guys bid reserve, and junior guys get "stuck" with lines.
Yeah MSP probably has one of the highest non-commuter populations I bet. Curious the actual system-wide percents.
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Old 11-09-2023, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Sailing is right. I'm on the 320 and have been based in MSP since summer of 2019. I've probably flown with less than 10 FO's that commute in over 4 years. It's probably closer to 5, but that number is hard for even me to believe when I type it. I'm one of the few commuters in that base. In the fall and winter, except for holiday months, a LOT of the senior guys bid reserve, and junior guys get "stuck" with lines.
PSA - Reserves are not protected from coverage awards, only the top 50% of lineholders. Every few years, I relearn that lesson over Thanksgiving and correct my bids for Christmas.
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Old 11-09-2023, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
PSA - Reserves are not protected from coverage awards, only the top 50% of lineholders. Every few years, I relearn that lesson over Thanksgiving and correct my bids for Christmas.
This discussion was had in another thread recently, but basically only the top 15% of reserves, and sometimes only the top 1 or 2 of reserves, are protected from coverage. And even that isn't 100% guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by Verdell
This discussion was had in another thread recently, but basically only the top 15% of reserves, and sometimes only the top 1 or 2 of reserves, are protected from coverage. And even that isn't 100% guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by Verdell
This discussion was had in another thread recently, but basically only the top 15% of reserves, and sometimes only the top 1 or 2 of reserves, are protected from coverage. And even that isn't 100% guaranteed.
reserves aren’t protected from coverage awards at all. Period dot.
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