Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
05-09-2022, 01:37 PM
#323
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Well there's an example of pulling up the ladder if I ever saw one. Anyone that retired early but was still working after the amendable date absolutely earned some extra coin. How can you not support one and support the other?
05-09-2022, 03:12 PM
#324
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05-09-2022, 03:14 PM
#325
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Agreed. The work was done by those pilots at a lower rate than it should have been. Their status at the time of signing of a new contract should be immaterial. The work was done, and the pilots who did that work deserve to be compensated for it.
05-09-2022, 03:19 PM
#326
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When I’m gone, I’m gone, honestly. That’s not pulling up the ladder, that’s leaving it behind for the union I’m no longer a part of and no longer paying dues for.
05-09-2022, 03:40 PM
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I guess that’s what happens when one doesn’t give it a lot of thought and opines online. Earnings between the amendable date and either (early VEOP) or (Mandatory retirement) should be eligible for full retro (less union dues), IMHO. If you just quit and sail off into the sunset early (as I plan to do), I personally think the financial relationship is severed.
When I’m gone, I’m gone, honestly. That’s not pulling up the ladder, that’s leaving it behind for the union I’m no longer a part of and no longer paying dues for.
When I’m gone, I’m gone, honestly. That’s not pulling up the ladder, that’s leaving it behind for the union I’m no longer a part of and no longer paying dues for.
If YOU leave early, I still think You should be pro-rated on YOUR W-2 for the time worked awaiting a new contract. Not only is it fair to you, but it also sends a message to mgt that dragging their feet in negotiations does mitigate the "rent due" bill on pay. QOL hits hurt all when delaying tactics are employed by the company but I feel it adds some extra pressure to just get "er done. Additionally, it somewhat incentivizes guys to retire early on their timeline instead of waiting for possibly 10"s of thousands of $$ of "earned" but lost by missing a retro cutoff. JMHO
05-09-2022, 04:45 PM
#328
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I guess that’s what happens when one doesn’t give it a lot of thought and opines online. Earnings between the amendable date and either (early VEOP) or (Mandatory retirement) should be eligible for full retro (less union dues), IMHO. If you just quit and sail off into the sunset early (as I plan to do), I personally think the financial relationship is severed.
When I’m gone, I’m gone, honestly. That’s not pulling up the ladder, that’s leaving it behind for the union I’m no longer a part of and no longer paying dues for.
When I’m gone, I’m gone, honestly. That’s not pulling up the ladder, that’s leaving it behind for the union I’m no longer a part of and no longer paying dues for.
Change my mind.
05-09-2022, 04:46 PM
#329
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Naw, that's what forums are for. Kibitzing out loud and batting around ideas and thoughts. The only thing missing is my IPA....oh look, got the cold frosty in my hand since it's always 5 o"clock somewhere
If YOU leave early, I still think You should be pro-rated on YOUR W-2 for the time worked awaiting a new contract. Not only is it fair to you, but it also sends a message to mgt that dragging their feet in negotiations does mitigate the "rent due" bill on pay. QOL hits hurt all when delaying tactics are employed by the company but I feel it adds some extra pressure to just get "er done. Additionally, it somewhat incentivizes guys to retire early on their timeline instead of waiting for possibly 10"s of thousands of $$ of "earned" but lost by missing a retro cutoff. JMHO
If YOU leave early, I still think You should be pro-rated on YOUR W-2 for the time worked awaiting a new contract. Not only is it fair to you, but it also sends a message to mgt that dragging their feet in negotiations does mitigate the "rent due" bill on pay. QOL hits hurt all when delaying tactics are employed by the company but I feel it adds some extra pressure to just get "er done. Additionally, it somewhat incentivizes guys to retire early on their timeline instead of waiting for possibly 10"s of thousands of $$ of "earned" but lost by missing a retro cutoff. JMHO
05-09-2022, 06:15 PM
#330
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Yeah 'pulling up the ladder' was the wrong metaphor. But we don't retire. We are forced to leave. There is no retirement. The reason for one's departure is irrelevant. 'early' or 'on time'... makes no difference. If they are here after an amendable date and worked, they deserve to be compensated if a new rate is negotiated and retroactively applied. Now that being said, full retro pay becomes less likely with each passing day. And just saying 'no' until the company surrenders won't get it done either.
Change my mind.
Change my mind.
M in my MD to FO was mandatory. I was booted to a non pay protected year+ reinstatement.
As long as we’re making a list of screw jobs, can I get my retro at my precovid payrate before we pay the VEOPs that left at their precovid payrate?
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