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Old 10-18-2023, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
12 minutes now vs 15 minutes it used to be? Multiplied by two in most instances. Are you saying only junior guys can make decisions in 3 minutes less than senior guys?
I have a lot more family commitments and members to coordinate with than in my 20s. YMMV
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:50 AM
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I have a lot more family commitments and members to coordinate with than in my 20s. YMMV
Then maybe use a lot of qualifiers. And turn off the phone when you don’t want to answer. It’s not that hard.

I’m not a fan of the way it went down, but we have to adjust the way we do things.
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Old 10-18-2023, 11:58 AM
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Then maybe use a lot of qualifiers. And turn off the phone when you don’t want to answer. It’s not that hard.

I’m not a fan of the way it went down, but we have to adjust the way we do things.
Auto accept works fine. I don't always know the parameters ahead of time nor do I care to put in several different slips and waste my time figuring out all the possibilities. The old way was better, you got a call when it was your trip. Auto accept does effectively the same thing but you only have 12 minutes from first contact. Often times the window is closed or nearly so by the time I notice. I've adapted but my childhood wasn't device centric so sometimes it isn't within arms length.
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Old 10-18-2023, 12:06 PM
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Maybe collect input on possible scenarios and then when the balloon goes up, while wearing your big boy pants, make a decision since you have already gathered the necessary info.

If "they" aren't interested enough to keep you apprised of their expectations/wants/desires, then maybe it just wasn't that important to be there for it?

Or maybe, the $$$ isn't that important to you if you want make to make every single life event. In that case, don't put in for a green slip.

You seemed to be irked that they call you too much, and also irked that you don't have enough time to sort it all out. And also irked that you might miss Johnny's music lesson. Just kinda comes across as counter-intuitive.

Having a wife and having children and commuting are all choices, or so I've heard.
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Old 10-18-2023, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
You get 2 12 minute blocks, one to accept and one to acknowledge. If you need that much time maybe you didn’t need that greenie.
Some pilots may live by the airport, have no kids, no spouse, don’t mind leaving their ringer on all the time, and love going to work. They don’t even need 24 minutes - they can accept and acknowledge in 1 minute.

Other pilots may be interested in flying green slips, but have a lot of other commitments in their lives that need to be rearranged before a slip can be accepted. They may need 2-3 hours to hear back from everyone to determine whether they can commit to a trip.

Most pilots are somewhere in between those two extremes. Unlimited batch sizes decrease the pool of pilots for whom green slips are practical, driving them more junior overall.
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Old 10-18-2023, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ancman
Some pilots may live by the airport, have no kids, no spouse, don’t mind leaving their ringer on all the time, and love going to work. They don’t even need 24 minutes - they can accept and acknowledge in 1 minute.

Other pilots may be interested in flying green slips, but have a lot of other commitments in their lives that need to be rearranged before a slip can be accepted. They may need 2-3 hours to hear back from everyone to determine whether they can commit to a trip.

Most pilots are somewhere in between those two extremes. Unlimited batch sizes decrease the pool of pilots for whom green slips are practical, driving them more junior overall.
No one even knew GS were being run until they are being called. How many batches there were was absolutely irrelevant. The only difference between now and 3 years ago is 3 minutes.

Your last statement is absolutely false
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Old 10-18-2023, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
The only difference between now and 3 years ago is 3 minutes.
Are you kidding?

Old system:

I get a call for a GS for tomorrow, with a batch size of 1. 5 pilots before me have already been called, meaning coverage started well over an hour ago. None have accepted yet.

I need an hour or so to rearrange life plans before I can commit, so I wait and don’t respond to the GS. 4 more pilots are called over the next hour. None of them choose to accept either. After the 4th pilot has been called, I determine that I’m able to fly it and accept the GS out of my window. Once that pilot’s window expires, the GS is awarded to me.

New system:

I get a call for a GS along with 200 other pilots. Pilots #1 - 70 need more time to coordinate, are stuck in traffic, in a movie theater, asleep, or whatever else. Pilot #71 accepts the green slip, and the whole thing is over in 12 minutes.

The green slip that would have gone to pilot #6 now goes to pilot #71. I see it almost every day in my category.
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Originally Posted by ancman
Are you kidding?

Old system:

I get a call for a GS for tomorrow, with a batch size of 1. 5 pilots before me have already been called, meaning coverage started well over an hour ago. None have accepted yet.

I need an hour or so to rearrange life plans before I can commit, so I wait and don’t respond to the GS. 4 more pilots are called over the next hour. None of them choose to accept either. After the 4th pilot has been called, I determine that I’m able to fly it and accept the GS out of my window. Once that pilot’s window expires, the GS is awarded to me.

New system:

I get a call for a GS along with 200 other pilots. Pilots #1 - 70 need more time to coordinate, are stuck in traffic, in a movie theater, asleep, or whatever else. Pilot #71 accepts the green slip, and the whole thing is over in 12 minutes.

The green slip that would have gone to pilot #6 now goes to pilot #71. I see it almost every day in my category.
And in your example, the only people who could have even been called for a GS were the top 5% of the seniority list. That was the whole problem with a batch size of 1. And it absolutely handcuffed commuters, especially those junior to 15%. If you need an hour to decide to do a GS, you either don't need a GS or need to set parameters for things you can do.

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Old 10-18-2023, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No one even knew GS were being run until they are being called. How many batches there were was absolutely irrelevant. The only difference between now and 3 years ago is 3 minutes.

Your last statement is absolutely false
You are obviously unfamiliar with pre ARCOS GS processing.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
You are obviously unfamiliar with pre ARCOS GS processing.
Of course I am. It was via phone call. How is that relevant?
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