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Old 10-05-2023, 10:22 AM
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Pilots—who use the contract to their advantage—when the company uses the contract to their advantage

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Old 10-05-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Pilots—who use the contract to their advantage—when the company uses the contract to their advantage



Works both ways.

Management—who use the contract to their advantage—when the Pilots use the contract to their advantage.
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Old 10-05-2023, 10:33 AM
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Works both ways.

Management—who use the contract to their advantage—when the Pilots use the contract to their advantage.
indeed, but I don’t see any managers ITT
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Originally Posted by OOfff
indeed, but I don’t see any managers ITT

Complaints go up, not down...
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Old 10-05-2023, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Interesting that your first assumption is that it was the pilot’s fault. Please don’t ever go into management.

Also as Gspeed noted, it’s hypocritical to apply that logic to reserves as every single line holder sick call is also calling out for a trip they’ve been assigned. It’s even more so now due to covering trips 2 days out. Are you honestly suggesting that reserves should call out sick 3 days prior and if they don’t they should be GFB’d???
If a pilot hasn't used more than 50 hrs in the preceeding year, they are not subject to a GFB
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Old 10-05-2023, 11:09 AM
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but **** rolls downhill
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Old 10-05-2023, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
If a pilot hasn't used more than 50 hrs in the preceeding year, they are not subject to a GFB
I’m aware of that. I read your comment as saying the GFB call was justified because it probably wasn’t the first time the FO had done it. If that wasn’t what you were implying then I take it back.

I hope we agree that expecting a reserve pilot to call out sick 3 days in advance is absurd.
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Old 10-05-2023, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Planetrain
Not picking on you, but why is this even a complaint? You break a bone under the old contract, you verify, your slate gets wiped clean for verification. You’re at 0. (New contract if you’re out for 100 hours+ single occurrence and verify, those hours don’t count either, easily a broken bone). On both the old and the new, if you just qualify for disability (you don’t have to take disability, just qualify), those hours don’t count either. Essentially a broken bone means you had 0 hours count towards the verification trigger. You’re a clean slate for sick verification. And if you’re seeing an orthopedist, you hand them the 1 page form and say “can you sign this?” Nature of sick: collarbone injury. Date. Signed Dr Quinn.

I would want to verify my broken bone, GFB or not. Who cares? It’s very likely it would have taken you over the 100 hour old trigger or the 120 new.

Now UHC jerking you around, totally different animal…. They’re a mess.
Company actually argued that the collarbone is not a MAJOR bone. I went over 100 hours so same net result

UHC denied surgery in Kansas where I broke it. I had to drive my pickup pulling a trailer from Wichita to Virginia Beach with my collarbone broken in 6 places.

Then got jerked around for 3 more weeks. Then had a way more invasive surgery because it had to be rebroken and the callus started creeping under a previous repair. what would have been a 1 hour outpatient surgery became 6 and then post surgery complications from being out that long and not reacting well to some drugs that they had to give me.

Fun times.
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Old 10-05-2023, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by flyforever1978
The fact is, this company doesn't care about your health, (sick or not) or your family. All you have to do is look at how heavily they lobbied to exclude pilots from family leave in Minnesota. It's an absolute embarrassment. The complete NIGHTMARE they put me through after my child was born was an eye opener. The lengths this company will go to in order to harass its pilots into submission is really shocking. The company negotiated the sick leave benefit and I'm sure something was traded for it, so too bad if they don't like it when pilots actually have to use it!! I've never been asked for a GFB, and I don't abuse the system, but if they ask me for one when I'm sick, it will be an eye opener for them!
Agreed. Another example is their change in dealing with Covid, one of the few pure concessions in the new contract. Against the union’s take on things, the company has unilaterally decided that covid tests now have to be proctored by a health care professional. Take a moment and think about what the company is truly saying here….

”We know that you have a highly communicable and possibly life threatening disease. We know that you have a positive test that is easy to use and easy to read. However instead of staying at home, resting, and healing, we will now require you to go outside, expose yourself to new people you may infect, and get another identical test but this one will be administered by people we actually trust.

Oh and TFAYD.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
If a pilot hasn't used more than 50 hrs in the preceeding year, they are not subject to a GFB
And your point is?
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