Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
08-29-2023, 07:07 PM
#2711
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,510
You’re wrong because you think any whisper of fire means you initiate an evacuation. You don’t gather any additional info that will be available within 3 mins. For some old reason just because of visible flames you assume a jet will burn to the ground before ARFF can give you any info or dare I say it….put out the fire. I highly recommend you go over your thought process with an instructor next time you are in CQ.
YOU wait 3 minutes in a situation like that and people are burning. Nope someone says we're on fire we're out. I'll take that carpet dance any day.
08-29-2023, 07:12 PM
#2712
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
You are right in some situations but wrong in others because it’s not black and white. You are blindly trusting a voice who may or may not be able to see the situation clearly.
08-29-2023, 07:17 PM
#2713
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,452
You’re wrong because you think any whisper of fire means you initiate an evacuation. You don’t gather any additional info that will be available within 3 mins. For some old reason just because of visible flames you assume a jet will burn to the ground before ARFF can give you any info or dare I say it….put out the fire. I highly recommend you go over your thought process with an instructor next time you are in CQ.
08-29-2023, 07:20 PM
#2714
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,452
The same voice that is a trusted safety expert. Please explain why you would leave a burning building during a fire alarm but remain on a burning aircraft.
08-29-2023, 07:24 PM
#2715
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Posts: 2,558
I haven’t left every building that’s had a fire alarm, have you?
08-29-2023, 07:46 PM
#2716
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Position: stake holder ir.delta.com
Posts: 10,452
So you question the weight you should give to a controller telling you you are on fire. I have nothing more to offer. I have left every building when an alarm was sounded. One of them was actually on fire. The buildings I am normally in don't have thousands of pounds of jet fuel suspended above the fire either. This is not a panicked reaction but rather a thoughtful evaluation that started years ago when a discussion in training lead to no real reason for waiting given the information and consequences of timely action versus untimely. Every discussion and thought experiment since has reinforced the prudence of evacuation to save lives when an uncontained fire is reported. Go ask your local fire department about early detection, warning and evacuation statistics.
08-29-2023, 08:02 PM
#2717
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
So you question the weight you should give to a controller telling you you are on fire. I have nothing more to offer. I have left every building when an alarm was sounded. One of them was actually on fire. The buildings I am normally in don't have thousands of pounds of jet fuel suspended above the fire either. This is not a panicked reaction but rather a thoughtful evaluation that started years ago when a discussion in training lead to no real reason for waiting given the information and consequences of timely action versus untimely. Every discussion and thought experiment since has reinforced the prudence of evacuation to save lives when an uncontained fire is reported. Go ask your local fire department about early detection, warning and evacuation statistics.
08-29-2023, 08:03 PM
#2718
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Joined APC: Mar 2023
Posts: 49
I hear what you're saying, but it's all risk mitigation, and things are never as black and white in the real world as you're making this out to be.
08-29-2023, 09:08 PM
#2719
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 2,300
So you question the weight you should give to a controller telling you you are on fire. I have nothing more to offer. I have left every building when an alarm was sounded. One of them was actually on fire. The buildings I am normally in don't have thousands of pounds of jet fuel suspended above the fire either. This is not a panicked reaction but rather a thoughtful evaluation that started years ago when a discussion in training lead to no real reason for waiting given the information and consequences of timely action versus untimely. Every discussion and thought experiment since has reinforced the prudence of evacuation to save lives when an uncontained fire is reported. Go ask your local fire department about early detection, warning and evacuation statistics.
08-30-2023, 01:43 AM
#2720
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: retired 767(dl)
Posts: 5,738
Comes down to the after action report, I would rather be known as the slide blowing dufus, than the guy that let 14 women and children suffer.
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