TED74

Sadly all you have is a little data and a lot of anecdotes. That’s part of the point, and part of ALPA’s motivation to settle as they did. There is no comprehensive data because the company was never required to keep it. OF COURSE they were required to pay the affected pilot. Sometimes they did. How often did that get done correctly and how often was it overlooked? We’re not sure.

A rep said there was one estimate that perhaps only 20% of affected pilots were paid/paid correctly. The settlement and all it’s warts should bring that number pretty close to 100%. M7 will get quite a bit more expensive for the company, quite a bit more lucrative for the pilot group, and verification will become significantly more straightforward. All that while seniority for trip coverage and affected pilot payout are honored with much greater reliability.

gloopy

I thought it was a very helpful explanation. Nothing gets a pilot group saltier than the loss of a percieved "good deal" and one of the good-est deals ever was getting 2 hours of pay simply for your phone ringing. Particularly when you put in for anything and everything, with or without the intention to do anything, just to get in line for a 2 hour windfall for nothing.

JamesBond

So what has happened is that we have given the company carte blanche to violate seniority for trip award within the 8 hour window in exchange for guaranteeing that they will provide the information on which pilot SHOULD have gotten the trip and therefore should be paid. Also, if you like this arrangement, you have to realize that the one trip doesn't exist in a vacuum. I could probably come up with several scenarios whereby a pilot gets 'paid' for a trip that should have gone to him on a GS and went to a willing 'volunteer' and then gets a trip the next day that doesn't pay nearly what the GS would have gotten him to begin with. The other elephant in the room is that you are giving alpa an out for not doing their job to begin with in administering the contract when 23.m.7 was invoked before the settlement. (per what your 'rep' said) So.... yay?

Valar Morghulis

It was more than that. 2 hours for a batch violation, but if you actually got paid for M7, you got paid for the whole trip. Just blanket slip and let it rain.

TED74

I thought with old age, one was supposed to gain wisdom and an appreciation for nuance? You’re smart enough to appreciate all the moving parts at play here, right? I’m happy to entertain whataboutism with a teenager because it can actually be kind of fun watching them work through the way the world works and why it’s not always fair. But having to explain that the world is complicated to a senior LCA just isn’t the same. If you’ve got a better system, or a better agreement that preserves all of everything everyone likes and gets rid of all of everything no on likes…let’s hear it! Here’s a list of things I l’ve heard Delta pilots advocate for:

- Keep all green slips proffers
- Force the company to man reserves properly
- Don’t do anything that will reduce green slips/premium pay
- Let pilots enter blanket green slips they may or may not actually want to fly
- Preserve 12 minutes to contemplate accepting a proffer
- Never require a pilot to answer the phone
- Never require pilots to acknowledge ARCOS
- Never violate seniority
- Don’t call me unless the offer is for a trip I really want
- Don’t interrupt my sleep
- Do interrupt my sleep
- Let me handle ARCOS calls with DND as I see fit
- Don’t make me manage DND just to get proper sleep
- Make the company pay affected pilots single pay AND double pay the flying pilot
- Don’t limit affected pilots to single pay
- Force the disagreement to arbitration where we will certainly win
- Don’t let this go to arbitration where we’re likely to lose and set a new management-friendly precedent
- Provide maximum lead time for commuters to get into position for green slips
- Let ALPA hunt down company transgressions
- Don’t let ALPA volunteers take too much time away from flying the line
- Don’t let ALPA volunteers make more than their line-flying peers
- Respond to my ACE/DART reports within two business days
- Make ALPA data-mine for records that were never kept
- Have a call center manned by every ALPA expert I might need…at any hour day/I might need them
- Reduce my ALPA dues
- Recall my ALPA reps

Ready….go!

Valar Morghulis

You left out:

- Be really really mad that ARCOS wakes up my entire family, even though my phone has a perfectly functional vibrate function, and my family all sleeps in the same room.
- Unless that GS is one out of 15 open trips I'm actually willing to fly, then I'll be mad if ARCOS doesn't wake up my whole family, because working overtime is worth me waking up the whole family. Never mind the fact that if the batch size was more than 1, I'd have gotten the call at 5pm instead of 5am.

BlueSkies

Deviate deadhead question for the crowd.

I am visiting family so I'm a temporary commuter. I snagged a trip that starts with a deadhead. The only problem is there are no direct flights from my current city (not my base) to the airport where the trip actually starts, all the flights have a stop in my base. If I deviate deadhead I can't 'add a leg' to the front it just has to be a one for one swap right? Or at least that's my understanding of the FOM? TIA

Gunfighter

You understand correctly. You will need a JS or nonrev for one of the legs.

BlueSkies

Great thanks!

StoneQOLdCrazy

And that rep is an idiot for making up numbers to try to justify his decision. Either the data was available, or it wasn't. And if it wasn't, making up a number that supports his cause is just a lie.

Let me guess....you're that rep.