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Old 06-25-2023, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Just to put the above post into a little context:

DAL Pilots have fairly extensive and flexible ways to modify their schedule via adding, dropping and swapping, both with open time (AKA "the open board") or with other pilots ("the swap board").

The ability to drop trips is predicated on the reserve coverage for each day of the trip. There is a formula that calculates reserve coverage required each day of the month based on historical data, and it changes based on a number of factors, including how much open time is on those days. That's all automated, so there's no putting a thumb on the scale. The other number is "reserves available", which is what it says, the number of reserve pilots available on that day...mostly.

If the number of reserves available is greater than the number required for all days of the trip, you can simply drop the trip outright, and that's called a personal drop (PD). There's no limit on this, and you can drop to zero if you want. You can then be off, pick up something else, etc over those days. You can also place a trip for pick up on the swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're scott free. Both of these are automated.

The wrinkle is if the number of reserves available is less than required on any day. In this case, there are a couple of "silver bullets" you can use. The first is an "authorized personal drop" (APD), which you get one per year. It lets you drop a trip that only has 25% of the reserves available vs required. You get up to four days of APD, but you only need one to drop a trip (or 2 2 day trips, or 4 1 day trips) or up to 4 days of reserve. The issue with APDs is you cannot do anything else on an APD day (no pickups).

Individual vacation days (IVDs) work exactly the same as APDs, but you can peel off days of a future vacation to do the same thing. You get 2 uses per year (occurrences, IE individual trip drops), and you may use up to 6 days vacation. There are ways to get more occurrences if your category wins a sick leave contest (sigh, no, I'm not making that up), but generally most people get 2 per year, but it can be as high as 4.

It's a pretty flexible system, and for the most part, it's totally automated.
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Old 06-25-2023, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Just to put the above post into a little context:

DAL Pilots have fairly extensive and flexible ways to modify their schedule via adding, dropping and swapping, both with open time (AKA "the open board") or with other pilots ("the swap board").

The ability to drop trips is predicated on the reserve coverage for each day of the trip. There is a formula that calculates reserve coverage required each day of the month based on historical data, and it changes based on a number of factors, including how much open time is on those days. That's all automated, so there's no putting a thumb on the scale. The other number is "reserves available", which is what it says, the number of reserve pilots available on that day...mostly.

If the number of reserves available is greater than the number required for all days of the trip, you can simply drop the trip outright, and that's called a personal drop (PD). There's no limit on this, and you can drop to zero if you want. You can then be off, pick up something else, etc over those days. You can also place a trip for pick up on the swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're scott free. Both of these are automated.

The wrinkle is if the number of reserves available is less than required on any day. In this case, there are a couple of "silver bullets" you can use. The first is an "authorized personal drop" (APD), which you get one per year. It lets you drop a trip that only has 25% of the reserves available vs required. You get up to four days of APD, but you only need one to drop a trip (or 2 2 day trips, or 4 1 day trips) or up to 4 days of reserve. The issue with APDs is you cannot do anything else on an APD day (no pickups).

Individual vacation days (IVDs) work exactly the same as APDs, but you can peel off days of a future vacation to do the same thing. You get 2 uses per year (occurrences, IE individual trip drops), and you may use up to 6 days vacation. There are ways to get more occurrences if your category wins a sick leave contest (sigh, no, I'm not making that up), but generally most people get 2 per year, but it can be as high as 4.

It's a pretty flexible system, and for the most part, it's totally automated.
Can I swap a 3 day trip over FRI-SUN for one in open time that is over WED-FRI? And let’s say I have a 4 day trip, can I swap that for 2 2 days or a 3 day and a turn? I’m at WN and trying to compare swapping ability. Thanks!
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Old 06-25-2023, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jrydel
Can I swap a 3 day trip over FRI-SUN for one in open time that is over WED-FRI? And let’s say I have a 4 day trip, can I swap that for 2 2 days or a 3 day and a turn? I’m at WN and trying to compare swapping ability. Thanks!
Absolutely, so long as the days you are picking up has worse reserve coverage then the days you are swapping out of. Or, less likely, if you actually have positive reserve balance on the days you are dropping (this almost always is exhausted after the first opportunity to change your schedule on the 20th of the month prior).
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Old 06-25-2023, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Just to put the above post into a little context:

DAL Pilots have fairly extensive and flexible ways to modify their schedule via adding, dropping and swapping, both with open time (AKA "the open board") or with other pilots ("the swap board").

The ability to drop trips is predicated on the reserve coverage for each day of the trip. There is a formula that calculates reserve coverage required each day of the month based on historical data, and it changes based on a number of factors, including how much open time is on those days. That's all automated, so there's no putting a thumb on the scale. The other number is "reserves available", which is what it says, the number of reserve pilots available on that day...mostly.

If the number of reserves available is greater than the number required for all days of the trip, you can simply drop the trip outright, and that's called a personal drop (PD). There's no limit on this, and you can drop to zero if you want. You can then be off, pick up something else, etc over those days. You can also place a trip for pick up on the swap board, and if someone picks it up, you're scott free. Both of these are automated.

The wrinkle is if the number of reserves available is less than required on any day. In this case, there are a couple of "silver bullets" you can use. The first is an "authorized personal drop" (APD), which you get one per year. It lets you drop a trip that only has 25% of the reserves available vs required. You get up to four days of APD, but you only need one to drop a trip (or 2 2 day trips, or 4 1 day trips) or up to 4 days of reserve. The issue with APDs is you cannot do anything else on an APD day (no pickups).

Individual vacation days (IVDs) work exactly the same as APDs, but you can peel off days of a future vacation to do the same thing. You get 2 uses per year (occurrences, IE individual trip drops), and you may use up to 6 days vacation. There are ways to get more occurrences if your category wins a sick leave contest (sigh, no, I'm not making that up), but generally most people get 2 per year, but it can be as high as 4.

It's a pretty flexible system, and for the most part, it's totally automated.
Damn. Succinct and accurate. You should be teaching this at INDOC.
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Old 06-25-2023, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Damn. Succinct and accurate. You should be teaching this at INDOC.
he’s mostly right. I’m 99.9% sure an IVD/APD can be used to drop any length of 1 singular trip.

so it will drop a 6 day trip. But you can’t use 1 APD to drop two trips that are back to back
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Old 06-25-2023, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob
he’s mostly right. I’m 99.9% sure an IVD/APD can be used to drop any length of 1 singular trip.

so it will drop a 6 day trip. But you can’t use 1 APD to drop two trips that are back to back
Yes one day of IVD can drop any length of trip. Just remember that you only have 4 (6 if you get 3 weeks of vacay) and can only do it twice. The big awesomeness is to get 2 trips back to back and use one instance to drop 2 trips.

But on those IVD days you are now stuck on vacation, no flying on those days.
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Old 06-25-2023, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
Yes one day of IVD can drop any length of trip. Just remember that you only have 4 (6 if you get 3 weeks of vacay) and can only do it twice. The big awesomeness is to get 2 trips back to back and use one instance to drop 2 trips.
If your base+aircraft wins the sick leave contest, you get one or two more IVDs AND corresponding additional one or two more INSTANCES.
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Old 06-25-2023, 05:52 PM
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If your base+aircraft wins the sick leave contest, you get one or two more IVDs AND corresponding additional one or two more INSTANCES.
I’d trade batch size of 2 for extra ivds
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Old 06-25-2023, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
If your base+aircraft wins the sick leave contest, you get one or two more IVDs AND corresponding additional one or two more INSTANCES.
Forgot about that, since I’m never in one of those.
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Old 06-25-2023, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Absolutely, so long as the days you are picking up has worse reserve coverage than the days you are swapping out of. Or, less likely, if you actually have positive reserve balance on the days you are dropping (this almost always is exhausted after the first opportunity to change your schedule on the 20th of the month prior).
So the swapped into days just need better reserve coverage? Current shop, we just have a grid and most days are arbitrarily red, and most swap/drops are denied for insufficient reserves, so we have a minimum number of reserves for each day.
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