Any "Latest & Greatest about Delta?" Part 2
#2192
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This isn't "what I want." It's a distinct possibility. It's actually similar to the eventual winding down/integration of XJT/ASA only ours would be an advanced flow vs integration. Those are regional airlines in case you are oblivious of anything but your own circumstance
#2193
This isn't "what I want." It's a distinct possibility. It's actually similar to the eventual winding down/integration of XJT/ASA only ours would be an advanced flow vs integration. Those are regional airlines in case you are oblivious of anything but your own circumstance
#2194
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Is it possible? Sure. It is also possible it will be something completely different. If there is a merger, it won't be a staple though as much as you want it to be. You guys trash what sailing has been saying, but he isn't wrong and he has seen and been involved in far more than you have. The smart money is on him and not you.
#2195
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Is it possible? Sure. It is also possible it will be something completely different. If there is a merger, it won't be a staple though as much as you want it to be. You guys trash what sailing has been saying, but he isn't wrong and he has seen and been involved in far more than you have. The smart money is on him and not you.
#2196
It’s pretty painless. Good, long-time Delta agents there.
You can go through security with just a seat request card. 99% of the time this is the case as they wait to clear you at the gate unless the flight is empty.
It can take awhile to check in on a busy day. You can speed that up by doing as much check in online ahead of time as possible. They will still have to “interview” you and put a little sticker on your carry-ons and passport. You can usually just do the kiosk, bag drop and then head for security.
The only potential gotcha is random secondary screening. It’s usually marked on your seat request card with SSSS, but sometimes they’ll random regardless. That can take awhile (very detailed) so get to the gate early and if you have the S’s be proactive and ask to get the secondary screening out of the way.
They also have a little different way of handling US bound flights, so you’ll eventually end up coralled with the other ATL/JFK pax behind a rope once they’ve checked your passport/boarding doc one final time. It’s pretty well organized but once you’re in there’s no bathroom access and they don’t really want people going in/out if it can be helped.
Otherwise the agents will clear everyone in order. No games like I’ve seen elsewhere. Enjoy!
You can go through security with just a seat request card. 99% of the time this is the case as they wait to clear you at the gate unless the flight is empty.
It can take awhile to check in on a busy day. You can speed that up by doing as much check in online ahead of time as possible. They will still have to “interview” you and put a little sticker on your carry-ons and passport. You can usually just do the kiosk, bag drop and then head for security.
The only potential gotcha is random secondary screening. It’s usually marked on your seat request card with SSSS, but sometimes they’ll random regardless. That can take awhile (very detailed) so get to the gate early and if you have the S’s be proactive and ask to get the secondary screening out of the way.
They also have a little different way of handling US bound flights, so you’ll eventually end up coralled with the other ATL/JFK pax behind a rope once they’ve checked your passport/boarding doc one final time. It’s pretty well organized but once you’re in there’s no bathroom access and they don’t really want people going in/out if it can be helped.
Otherwise the agents will clear everyone in order. No games like I’ve seen elsewhere. Enjoy!
#2197
#2198
First, we are literally talking 100% hypothetical. It's not going to happen unless AA blinks first. It would be the end of recruiting for Delta and they know it. And if it did, I would expect the union to do their due diligence and ensure not a single endeavor pilot ends up over a Delta pilot.
#2199
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First, we are literally talking 100% hypothetical. It's not going to happen unless AA blinks first. It would be the end of recruiting for Delta and they know it. And if it did, I would expect the union to do their due diligence and ensure not a single endeavor pilot ends up over a Delta pilot.
Some airline managements have worked with their pilots to improve their leverage in the negotiations phase. This is done by giving the pilot group veto authority on the merger if a satisfactory list can’t be negotiated. Given our current relationship with management that is highly unlikely.
As mentioned many times it’s very unlikely a merger will ever happen. The low cost option for management is to shut Endeavor down and transfer the aircraft to another regional or the mainline if desired. They schedule an orderly shutdown with bonuses for pilots who stay until the end and perhaps a preferential interview at Delta. It’s worked before and will work again.
#2200
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Position: DAL 330
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First of all, you're retired, so maybe you could consider paring back your lectures to this pilot group.
Second of all, you used a lot of words to say "ALPA merger policy considers career expectations, longevity, and status and category". The CRJ900 is not currently flown at Delta and would come in below even the 717. The career expectations of a 30 year CRJ900 A wouldn't even come close to a Delta 717 A. The career expectations of a CR9 B wouldn't come close to a new hire Delta 350B. No arbitrated list in recent history has gone straight DOH, so it's unlikely they could use their 30 year RJ lifer status to trump the other two.
You never know what an arbitrator will rule, but it is very likely that a staple with fences is the most fair integration under ALPA policy, and McCaskill-Bond may not even apply since we are not like carriers.
Finally, even Delta management would likely rather walk away than see some 30 year RJ guy end up as a Delta 330A and cause a downward cascade of training events. Simply ain't gonna happen. They'll pull the plug on 9E a la Comair before they'll let that happen.
Second of all, you used a lot of words to say "ALPA merger policy considers career expectations, longevity, and status and category". The CRJ900 is not currently flown at Delta and would come in below even the 717. The career expectations of a 30 year CRJ900 A wouldn't even come close to a Delta 717 A. The career expectations of a CR9 B wouldn't come close to a new hire Delta 350B. No arbitrated list in recent history has gone straight DOH, so it's unlikely they could use their 30 year RJ lifer status to trump the other two.
You never know what an arbitrator will rule, but it is very likely that a staple with fences is the most fair integration under ALPA policy, and McCaskill-Bond may not even apply since we are not like carriers.
Finally, even Delta management would likely rather walk away than see some 30 year RJ guy end up as a Delta 330A and cause a downward cascade of training events. Simply ain't gonna happen. They'll pull the plug on 9E a la Comair before they'll let that happen.
First off Sailing is one of the most knowledgeable posters on here and we all benefit from his input. I don't always agree with him but always appreciate his input. If you think he is wrong feel free to point it out.
Secondly - this whole topic is an academic tempest in a teapot. It may not result in a staple but I doubt any arbitrated settlement would have any RJ guys any higher than 80%. JMHO.
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