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Old 05-22-2023, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Delta doesn't need a merger. They own the planes and the seats already. They are literally just leasing out the labor. And that labor already has an expedited agreement for seats in a Delta class. There is no reason to "merge" the lists, at all. They just increase flow.
So you are fine with it as is? What happened to wanting all that flying in house?
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Old 05-22-2023, 09:35 AM
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Random question, anyone aware of any special information when non-revving out of Madrid? Do you have to wait for seat assignment before going through security? Thanks.


BTW, tried the non-rev group and got nothing.
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Old 05-22-2023, 09:50 AM
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So you are fine with it as is? What happened to wanting all that flying in house?
No. I literally said they can increase the flow as they bring airplanes over. That's not hard to understand, is it?
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Old 05-22-2023, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fourpaw
Random question, anyone aware of any special information when non-revving out of Madrid? Do you have to wait for seat assignment before going through security? Thanks.


BTW, tried the non-rev group and got nothing.
It’s pretty painless. Good, long-time Delta agents there.

You can go through security with just a seat request card. 99% of the time this is the case as they wait to clear you at the gate unless the flight is empty.

It can take awhile to check in on a busy day. You can speed that up by doing as much check in online ahead of time as possible. They will still have to “interview” you and put a little sticker on your carry-ons and passport. You can usually just do the kiosk, bag drop and then head for security.

The only potential gotcha is random secondary screening. It’s usually marked on your seat request card with SSSS, but sometimes they’ll random regardless. That can take awhile (very detailed) so get to the gate early and if you have the S’s be proactive and ask to get the secondary screening out of the way.

They also have a little different way of handling US bound flights, so you’ll eventually end up coralled with the other ATL/JFK pax behind a rope once they’ve checked your passport/boarding doc one final time. It’s pretty well organized but once you’re in there’s no bathroom access and they don’t really want people going in/out if it can be helped.

Otherwise the agents will clear everyone in order. No games like I’ve seen elsewhere. Enjoy!

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Old 05-22-2023, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
Is there historical precedent of a merger between 2 lists where the unions of both pilot lists came to a predetermined agreement before said merger was even brought to the table?
Piedmont & Allegheny (USAirways Express). It was a long standing agreement that any merger between the two would be DOH. That’s what’s happened AFAIK.

Air Tran and SWA was done post merger announcement and didn’t go to arbitration. While I’m sure some would argue it was consensual, the SLI was voted in at AirTran, and that was that. There were no successful DFR claims as far as I know.
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Old 05-22-2023, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. I literally said they can increase the flow as they bring airplanes over. That's not hard to understand, is it?
The logistics of your wet dream won't work, but keep preaching.
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Old 05-22-2023, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
I don’t think this will help us as much as folks think. Our income doesn’t GENERATE profit sharing, it just determines our personal share of the total pool. Since most pilots got the non-retro-retro (exceptions being newbies), everyone’s boost in annualized earnings moves more or less together. Of course our pilot share of total company-wide compensation goes up and we scrape a little more away from FAs et al, and that’s gravy.

A pilot who made 250k in eligible earnings will get 25% more profit sharing than a pilot with 200k in eligible earnings, sure. But compare the benefit of the one-time-payment being profit-sharing eligible to a theoretical contract in which is wasn't…and the boost isn’t as large. Making our ~third of the company payroll larger by including the one-time-payment in the PS math doesn’t add one extra dollar of actual profits to the pool. It just pulls a bit more of the existing pool in our direction.
Assuming level earnings in 2020-2022, and that pilots are 1/3 of the payroll, including the the one time payment as eligible earnings will bring about 4.5% more PS to the pilots.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The logistics of your wet dream won't work, but keep preaching.
Care to elaborate or are you just planning on being typically obtuse.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Care to elaborate or are you just planning on being typically obtuse.
​​​​​​Obtuse? LOL. OK Chief.

Your 'what I want' bias clouds logic.
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​​​​​​Obtuse? LOL. OK Chief.

You’re 'what I want' bias clouds logic.
this from the person claiming retirement is a “firing” of pilots
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