gloopy

Other ways could mean more than a staple. As it stands now, flowing whatever number they feel they can handle plus a few off the street hires is probably all they'd be interested in unless we simply brought the 76's on DL property. That seems unlikely right now, so I don't see this goig anywhere beyond status quo but who knows.

Mesabah

A staple is probably going to happen at some point. Simply because the CRJ is no longer made, and it's cheaper to staple(which will actually be flowing everyone at once), rather than pay severance for an entire pilot group, while those pilots find other jobs at your competitors.

Meme In Command

In the same spirit as "it's not retro, it's a one time payment" they can bring EDV on and say "it's not a staple, it's a one time flow"

Scoop

Your post reminds me of the COMAIR debacle in the early 2000's. Classic overreach that did not end well for them. Just saying there are plenty of risks for both groups.

Scoop

Flyweight

Management would be better off to spin off and sell edv.

chrisreedrules

Know anyone buying regionals right now? Yea, me neither.

Regarding some of the comments over the past few pages from all the legal ”experts” on here. What makes you think ALPA’s top attorney’s haven’t already laid eyes on this resolution and said it looks good? Do you think the Delta MEC would just float this out there without legal approval?

iaflyer

Why did the US Airways - Reno Air situation happen? I"m sure the lawyers "never thought of that".. and with everyone who challenges a pre-nuptial agreement... wasn't that a binding document? Challenges seem to happen often to high net worth people and the challengers seems to make out just fine. I think you're a bit naive if you think legal approval from the ALPA lawyers is the end-be-all of legal advice and other lawyers can't find their way around it if they think the payout is high enough.

Imagine this situation - took me all of 1 minute to come up with it.. and I'm not even a lawyer:

Delta brings on EDV pilots to the company, adds them to the bottom of the list (a staple) as per the "agreement" that DAL ALPA and EDV ALPA agree to.

The senior pilots complain, and say "we didn't agree to this!" and get a law firm to sue for "Right to fair representation" because there should of been a merged seniority list, and ALPA is ignoring the 2007 law that requires using Allegany-Mohawk which specifies: "insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers’ employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and representatives of the employees affected."They also want DOH, as they have been part of Delta for years, making all of them senior enough to hold Captain on the next AE.

Discussions ensue...

An agreement is made, rather than it going to arbitration where the EDV pilots are ratioed in, starting at earliest EDV flow and eventually will hold their original EDV seniority, just not right away. Over time they can bid a certain number of Captain slots on AEs. ALPA says, "well, it's better than DOH, which is what they wanted, and they might of gotten had it gone to arbitration."

Not possible? I'd say it has a medium to high chance of actually happening if Delta does that.

CBreezy

Like I've said. It's very easy to structure an agreement that is an advanced flow vs a staple. Staple is dangerous territory. Flow as airplanes move over or are parked is a better solution. We already own them so this is literally just a paperwork issue

chrisreedrules

”Medium to High chance” Sure buddy.

Planetrain

Why can’t they merge the lists based on class aircraft?
All pilots “pre-merger” flying aircraft with seats less than 100 merge at the bottom.
No windfalls. Done.

Just like the SLI in 2008 where we had 4 classes: WBA, NBA, WBB, NBB.