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Old 09-19-2022, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MJP27
Yeah, my O/U is 5%
I’ll say 6%

reason being is we retired a significant number of employees during Covid (16k IIRC), most of whom were at the top of the pay scale. Since then we have either not replaced them or have replaced them with employees on year 1 pay. It would not surprise me at all if delta’s 2022 non pilot payroll costs are lower by a decent margin compared to 2019
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
it may be half the profit but closer to 1/3 the PS payout. If our profit is 3B the profit sharing amount would be 350M. If profit were 6B it would be 950M

You’re right, but after reviewing forward guidance and the lower pressures from jet fuel, it’s looks like Q3 and Q4 will come in on the higher end of guidance.

I don’t think $4 billion will be reached but it will be a high 3-something. So I’m thinking 2/3 the profit and ~1/2 the PS payout. That’s a pretty good recovery all things considered.

Again everything is a WAG as we only have half the year’s numbers so far.
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I’ll say 6%

reason being is we retired a significant number of employees during Covid (16k IIRC), most of whom were at the top of the pay scale. Since then we have either not replaced them or have replaced them with employees on year 1 pay. It would not surprise me at all if delta’s 2022 non pilot payroll costs are lower by a decent margin compared to 2019
There's no easy way to determine the PS wage base from SEC filings, but you can get an idea of the trend. For the first 6 months of 2019 Salaries and Related Costs were 5.6 billion, and for 2022 it was 5.8 billion. There is a lot of stuff included in that number that wont be in the PS wage base, but it doesn't suggest that wages will be down significantly.
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
There's no easy way to determine the PS wage base from SEC filings, but you can get an idea of the trend. For the first 6 months of 2019 Salaries and Related Costs were 5.6 billion, and for 2022 it was 5.8 billion. There is a lot of stuff included in that number that wont be in the PS wage base, but it doesn't suggest that wages will be down significantly.
thats definitely interesting and not where I thought they would be. I do have to wonder how much our wages are affecting that number. Unlike the non cons, we have significantly higher costs associated with our overtime and from looking at their pay scales they seem to have a much higher pay disparity between someone with 4 years vs top of the pay scale compared to us (assuming the same job)
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Old 09-19-2022, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
thats definitely interesting and not where I thought they would be. I do have to wonder how much our wages are affecting that number. Unlike the non cons, we have significantly higher costs associated with our overtime and from looking at their pay scales they seem to have a much higher pay disparity between someone with 4 years vs top of the pay scale compared to us (assuming the same job)
I also though the numbers would be lower this year for those reasons. FWIW, the wage base for 2019 was 9.4 billion, so it's definitely less than doubling the 6 month "salaries and related costs."
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Old 09-19-2022, 12:26 PM
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Since then we have either not replaced them or have replaced them with employees on year 1 pay.
…not to mention less sick leave and vacation. If what I’m hearing about FAs is true, they’ve also got a higher floor of hours worked they need to meet to retain their full complement of vacation days.
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Old 09-20-2022, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ODB2
Same question but A350
I just did an OE with an FO that finished his 44x that week.
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Stupid question: is reroute pay paid above reserve guarantee like GS pay? TIA
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Old 09-20-2022, 01:29 PM
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Stupid question: is reroute pay paid above reserve guarantee like GS pay? TIA
Yes. It will show up as reroute pay on your time card, just under G/S pay on the left.
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Old 09-20-2022, 05:26 PM
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Yes. It will show up as reroute pay on your time card, just under G/S pay on the left.
Not always. That’s usually for when you arrive >4 late.

Most reroutes in my experience show up as 4F1R (or similar) up top with rotations. And yes, all reroutes are always above guarantee.
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