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Old 08-15-2022, 03:04 PM
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No need for hating the 0 pre month credit. Some of us have a nice little niche of drop/swap/slip the broken trip. . Don't fix the company problems, profit from them. $$$
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Originally Posted by Airfix
While we are on the topic I have always been a little confused between pay and credit and I haven't been able to read a good definition of credit in the PWA or Scheduling Reference Handbook, would someone mind clarifying it?


Pay is obvious. It's what you get paid for a trip the highest of your actual block time, your average daily guarantee or the trip rig (1 for 3.5 TAFB) or duty rig (1 for 2 FDP).


Credit I've always understood it to be the amount of time that applies to PWA sections such as reserve guarantee and green slip triggers etc. However I'm not sure I understand the difference between credit shown on the rotation and credit applied to the PWA sections. Also I know that on a carry out paring credit is paid in the following month. I'm not sure I understand the differences between the types of credit. Can someone explain the different types of credit and the difference between pay and credit more clearly?


I'm kind of embarrassed that I don't have a good understanding of something so critical to our pwa.


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Credit in terms of our pay system and credit in terms of rotation construction are two separate concepts. It’s also separate from credit for PBS.

For rotation construction, credit is anything that is not block time.

For our pay system, everything is pay. Some things are credit. That’s why you can have pay and credit, pay no credit, or double pay no credit, but you can never have credit no pay. The items that are credit count against reserve guarantee because reserve guarantee is a pay and credit item. So SCC or a regular reserve assignment which is pay an credit offsets reserve guarantee. While a reserve GS on X days is pay no credit, and doesn’t offset guarantee. The WS pickup limit is a credit limit, so all credit items count, but pay no credit items don’t (GS, vacation, etc..). Where it gets confusing is the GS trigger. It includes all credit items, plus some pay no credit items like vacation. That’s why you see a separate line on your time card of “credit applicable to GS pay” which may or may not be the same as your total credit.
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Old 08-15-2022, 03:12 PM
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Any time the credit column is less than the corresponding pay column on your time card (and often it’s blank), the difference is paid above your reserve guarantee.

That’s at least half of understanding / QCing your reserve pay.
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Old 08-15-2022, 04:34 PM
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No need for hating the 0 pre month credit. Some of us have a nice little niche of drop/swap/slip the broken trip. . Don't fix the company problems, profit from them. $$$
This post caused me to go look. Since January, I’ve flown about 6 trips that existed in the bid pack. I’ll continue to do that until they build trips that look something like the ones I actually fly; and I’m not even senior enough to cherry pick the really sweet ones (textbook ADG surfing).

Sometimes I hear the complaining, and I really do get it (senior people shouldn’t have to be super clever to get the schedule they want), but flying your heinous PBS awarded schedule or the exact LC days you’re awarded seems kinda lazy.

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Old 08-15-2022, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinthrew
This post caused me to go look. Since January, I’ve flown about 6 trips that existed in the bid pack. I’ll continue to do that until they build trips that look something like the ones I actually fly; and I’m not even senior enough to cherry pick the really sweet ones (textbook ADG surfing).

Sometimes I hear the complaining, and I really do get it (senior people shouldn’t have to be super clever to get the schedule they want), but flying your heinous PBS awarded schedule or the exact LC days you’re awarded seems kinda lazy.
I’m all for a good GS getting you the days off you wanted originally for extra pay, but sometimes you’ve gotta plan stuff ahead so the awarded schedule is what it is.
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Old 08-16-2022, 06:38 AM
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I’m all for a good GS getting you the days off you wanted originally for extra pay, but sometimes you’ve gotta plan stuff ahead so the awarded schedule is what it is.
This. Got a busy family life, and I fly what I’m awarded mostly because I don’t have much flexibility.
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Old 08-16-2022, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
This. Got a busy family life, and I fly what I’m awarded mostly because I don’t have much flexibility.
This is exactly why I drop everything and rebuild. Kids with weekend sports during the school year. Even on reserve I can't hold all weekends off, nor can anyone below page 4 on the wide report. So 20% or above thanks to the proliferation of 5 day trips. The top 20% are campers and won't move because of seniority so I'm screwed. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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Old 08-16-2022, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Just to be clear. If you are below the trigger, a GS will be single pay and credit until you reach the trigger, and double pay no credit once you reach the trigger. And as gunfighter said you can take 5 hours out of the bank to count towards the trigger.

For example, assume a trigger of 70 hours. If you are at 60 hours of credit and fly a 20 hour GS, 10 hours will count towards the trigger and 10 hours will be double pay no credit and you will get a total of 90 hours. If you take 5 out of the bank, 5 of the GS will count towards the trigger and 15 will be double pay no credit for a total of 100 hours.
Thanks. This are the deets I was curious about.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
This is exactly why I drop everything and rebuild. Kids with weekend sports during the school year. Even on reserve I can't hold all weekends off, nor can anyone below page 4 on the wide report. So 20% or above thanks to the proliferation of 5 day trips. The top 20% are campers and won't move because of seniority so I'm screwed. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Did you try ELSE START NEXT?
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:58 AM
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No need for hating the 0 pre month credit. Some of us have a nice little niche of drop/swap/slip the broken trip. . Don't fix the company problems, profit from them. $$$
May the rantallions who OOBWS find themselves bescumbered by the leaky pipes underneath Concourse B in Atlanta. I would do the deed myself if not for the many cameras that protect the zounderkite who turn Greenslips into White.
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