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Old 08-01-2022, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by hookshot123
I know this has been asked and answered, but I could not find it. Just want to make sure I follow the rules.

Is it OK to book positive space commute to an international location that is not your home if it is done to go to and from work?

Thanks in advance.
Pilots are definitely doing it and getting away with it. So are flight attendants. In my opinion, positive space commuting to and from vacation is really stretching the rules. That being said, I believe positive space commuting is as good as gone so do it if you want. No one will question you.
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:29 AM
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Pilots are definitely doing it and getting away with it. So are flight attendants. In my opinion, positive space commuting to and from vacation is really stretching the rules. That being said, I believe positive space commuting is as good as gone so do it if you want. No one will question you.
I agree. It is permitted. I don't think it should be.
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Pilots are definitely doing it and getting away with it. So are flight attendants. In my opinion, positive space commuting to and from vacation is really stretching the rules. That being said, I believe positive space commuting is as good as gone so do it if you want. No one will question you.
Positive space for flight attendants specifically says to and from their listed home of record. It’s a bit different than the pilot rules.
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Positive space for flight attendants specifically says to and from their listed home of record. It’s a bit different than the pilot rules.
Well then someone needs to tell them. But the company will not. Optics, or some such.
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Old 08-01-2022, 07:49 AM
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Well then someone needs to tell them. But the company will not. Optics, or some such.
Its been put out on Delta net to the flight attendants several times. You would be surprised at how Delta handles discipline with the flight attendants verses the pilots. They get dinged for things we would find outrageous like signing in a few minutes late.
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its been put out on Delta net to the flight attendants several times. You would be surprised at how Delta handles discipline with the flight attendants verses the pilots. They get dinged for things we would find outrageous like signing in a few minutes late.
Well aren't we just so lucky!!!
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:22 AM
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I can't believe pilots actually want to keep working till 65, much less to 67. I'd say some very poor financial decisions have been made or a couple of divorces (or they just love to fly). I'm thankful I don't have to work that long; I don't think I could do it.
How old are you? If your answer is below 60 then your view of the world is completely different than those folks that are approaching retirement.

Imagine a widowed pilot 64y/o, good health, kids are married with their families busy with their own lives.

Option 1: Retire and live comfortably but too much free time for this active pilot, even after renovating house, building an RV 12, etc.

Option 2: If 67 passed, Fly one to two nice Rome (fill in the blank fav layover) trips and PD, VACA or other the rest of the month trips.

No brainer what this individual would do. So sure...in your current snapshot in life you "can't believe pilots want to fly to 65 much less 67" but snapshots in life are a funny and terrifying thing: we are all just one doctors visit from radically changing what our plans are for life. The old saying if you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans rings very true when you get past age 50.

I am sure very few pilots "need" to fly financially after 65 compared to "wanting" to fly because they enjoy the job, socialization, challenge...whatever it might be.

Just food for thought
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:29 AM
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How old are you? If your answer is below 60 then your view of the world is completely different than those folks that are approaching retirement.

Imagine a widowed pilot 64y/o, good health, kids are married with their families busy with their own lives.

Option 1: Retire and live comfortably but too much free time for this active pilot, even after renovating house, building an RV 12, etc.

Option 2: If 67 passed, Fly one to two nice Rome (fill in the blank fav layover) trips and PD, VACA or other the rest of the month trips.

No brainer what this individual would do. So sure...in your current snapshot in life you "can't believe pilots want to fly to 65 much less 67" but snapshots in life are a funny and terrifying thing: we are all just one doctors visit from radically changing what our plans are for life. The old saying if you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans rings very true when you get past age 50.

I am sure very few pilots "need" to fly financially after 65 compared to "wanting" to fly because they enjoy the job, socialization, challenge...whatever it might be.

Just food for thought
So you want to allow them to fly part time to cush destinations while guys have to sweat it out longer in domestic categories because these senior guys don't know how to find hobbies?
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Old 08-01-2022, 08:50 AM
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So you want to allow them to fly part time to cush destinations while guys have to sweat it out longer in domestic categories because these senior guys don't know how to find hobbies?
I think he wants to use his career earned seniority in any manner he chooses. It's that efin simple. 65 is a thing, I hated it because it put my career on hold for 5 years and I oppose 67 for the same reason, but you have to deal with it.
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Originally Posted by LandGreen2
How old are you? If your answer is below 60 then your view of the world is completely different than those folks that are approaching retirement.

Imagine a widowed pilot 64y/o, good health, kids are married with their families busy with their own lives.

Option 1: Retire and live comfortably but too much free time for this active pilot, even after renovating house, building an RV 12, etc.

Option 2: If 67 passed, Fly one to two nice Rome (fill in the blank fav layover) trips and PD, VACA or other the rest of the month trips.

No brainer what this individual would do. So sure...in your current snapshot in life you "can't believe pilots want to fly to 65 much less 67" but snapshots in life are a funny and terrifying thing: we are all just one doctors visit from radically changing what our plans are for life. The old saying if you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plans rings very true when you get past age 50.

I am sure very few pilots "need" to fly financially after 65 compared to "wanting" to fly because they enjoy the job, socialization, challenge...whatever it might be.

Just food for thought
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