Positive Space ?
03-28-2022, 06:25 AM
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Positive Space ?
AA guy here.
Is the time you spend commuting on your positive space considered "duty"?
If a pilot is on vacation in Hawaii, can he use PS to get back under the guise of "getting to work"?
All the stupid questions AA guys throw up as to why we cant have PS also.
Is the time you spend commuting on your positive space considered "duty"?
If a pilot is on vacation in Hawaii, can he use PS to get back under the guise of "getting to work"?
All the stupid questions AA guys throw up as to why we cant have PS also.
03-28-2022, 06:28 AM
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Also yes. As long as you are getting to work, you can use it from anywhere
03-28-2022, 06:33 AM
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If a pilot is on vacation in Hawaii, can he use PS to get back under the guise of "getting to work"?
All the stupid questions AA guys throw up as to why we cant have PS also.
03-28-2022, 06:36 AM
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Anecdotally, it can and has been interpreted that way in the past. Likely the company doesn't care where you come from if you're going to operate a trip. I'd say the bigger risk is the pilot positive space "commuting home" to a different vacation spot every week. I suspect that may draw some attention from the company, though I'm not sure of any actual language that prevents that.
03-28-2022, 06:50 AM
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when I was in indoc, I had one of the instructors (indoc instructors not sim) tell my class flat out this was Acceptable use of the PS to/from training, being we could use PS during training to go wherever we wanted on our days off (the example was use it for travel to Europe if we had the time) just a FWIW
03-28-2022, 07:13 AM
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That's correct. I'm not talking about the positive space during training. My point was that if the company wanted to point to "abuse" of the positive space commuting policy, it would be the pilot "commuting to/from" Orlando this week, Maui next week, Austin during SXSW, Munich during Oktoberfest, etc. Not currently prohibited by the policy, no. I have no idea at what rate or if at all that people are using the policy that way. But if it is happening, I could see a certain amount of heartburn developing there that the company may want to reign in.
ex a MCO commuter sees his trip starts on a DHD to PBI, he might find it easier to drive to PBI and pick up the trip there then PS themselves back to PBI at the end.
while I agree with the principle of what you said, I can see why exceptions might be prudent.
03-28-2022, 07:55 AM
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when I was in indoc, I had one of the instructors (indoc instructors not sim) tell my class flat out this was Acceptable use of the PS to/from training, being we could use PS during training to go wherever we wanted on our days off (the example was use it for travel to Europe if we had the time) just a FWIW
A pilot will receive positive space coach on-line transportation to travel between the training location and any Company station before and after training and during each duty- free period of 48 hours or more, if sales are authorized at the time of his attempted booking.
LOA 20-04 authorized positive space commuting IAW this same section.
03-28-2022, 08:25 AM
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From a financial perspective, PS to most vacation destinations is cheaper for the company as they are usually high volume/low yield markets. A seat to a premium market on a narrow gauge like A220 is more costly.
Although not likely, it would be nice if PS commuting was written into the contract.
Although not likely, it would be nice if PS commuting was written into the contract.
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