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03-31-2022, 05:01 PM

#71

gloopy

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

If PS Commuting stays then we better get some sort of annual positive space vacation passes codified. Non-rev was bad enough before and now it’s terrible.

Just move and commute. Easy Peasy.

03-31-2022, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

I suspect the company makes a nice profit on buddy passes. They probably would want something in exchange for eliminating them!

Agreed. I've always thought at the very least if a buddy passer pays more than a cheaper fare they should get boarding priority over them.

03-31-2022, 06:32 PM

#73

Gspeed

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Originally Posted by gloopy

Just move and commute. Easy Peasy.

How does that help with non-rev travel?

03-31-2022, 06:41 PM

#74

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

How does that help with non-rev travel?

It’s not, and with the way we try and squeeze every penny out of every route, it will probably not get better.

04-01-2022, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saturn

Well thats nice to know, but a couple of of holes. 1: That only works getting to work, not getting home, 2: Its sounds like at company convenience, not in PWA. 3: Hold times make that a PITA.

1. Getting home - you don’t have to get this flight immediately and this is not the point of my response. 2. It is Company convenience - what is your point? 3. Agreed but it has always worked for me.

04-01-2022, 04:56 AM

#76

frozentundra

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Originally Posted by Bell

If positive space stays, wont be contractual, and will be:

1) Only getting to work,
2) Only from one airport within a set distance of pilot's home of record,
3) Pilot must take the jumpseat if other revenue or non-rev passengers need a seat,
4) Backup is required, and,

Pilots have 48 to use per year (4 per month) and this replaces all other non-rev privileges, OR
5) Non-commuting pilots get 48 positive space vouchers to use per year for anyone on their non-rev list.

My two cents.

That is no better than the pre Covid commuter policy. What a dumb idea.

04-01-2022, 05:15 AM

#77

frozentundra

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Originally Posted by Gspeed

If PS Commuting stays then we better get some sort of annual positive space vacation passes codified. Non-rev was bad enough before and now it’s terrible.

Not accurate. Roughly the same number of people are commuting and they always got priority over non revs via positive space if they couldn’t get on their first flight. Maybe a slight change in jumpseat usage vs seats in back.

04-01-2022, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Someone here 3 years and they have very little invested? We won’t lose a single pilot who has been here more than a year to a change in PS. Keep in mind we still have a contractual PS benefit that is permanent.

Could have sworn my quote concerned FAs and THEIR investment in a career that doesn’t have a huge barrier to entry.

04-01-2022, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hvydvr

Could have sworn my quote concerned FAs and THEIR investment in a career that doesn’t have a huge barrier to entry.

Sorry I missed that. Still don’t think it will make a difference for them either and they can crank out flight attendant replacements like weeds pop up in my yard.

04-01-2022, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UGBSM

If PS for work becomes a contractual benefit then I'm moving to (insert location ________ Hawaii, Orlando, Vegas, etc...) Along with a gajillion FAs and half a gajillion pilots.

As a guy who moved TO base (for more reasons than JUST the commute) during the era of PS commuting, this made me lol. A commute is a time suck and a money hole, no matter how you slice it. Positive space or not, reserve, line holder, GS/WS/YS/IA/whatever. It decreases flexibility and is uncompensated time away from things you'd rather be doing. Its hours sitting in airplanes and/or airports waiting for and riding on your flight, dealing with delays and cancellations. It's money out of your pocket for parking, transportation, hotels or crash pads, food and incidentals. I had one of the easiest commutes there is and was about the most chill commuter out there but in idle moments it's hard not to find your mind wandering to all the time and money you're throwing away just to get to/from work.

About the only thing PS might do is tip someone towards a more junior base/fleet knowing the commute is only half the headache it used to be.

Last edited by freezingflyboy; 04-01-2022 at 07:13 AM.