Positive Space ?
03-29-2022, 05:25 AM
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And I pay for tickets when traveling with my family.
03-29-2022, 05:28 AM
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03-29-2022, 06:28 AM
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If positive space stays, wont be contractual, and will be:
1) Only getting to work,
2) Only from one airport within a set distance of pilot's home of record,
3) Pilot must take the jumpseat if other revenue or non-rev passengers need a seat,
4) Backup is required, and,
Pilots have 48 to use per year (4 per month) and this replaces all other non-rev privileges, OR
5) Non-commuting pilots get 48 positive space vouchers to use per year for anyone on their non-rev list.
My two cents.
1) Only getting to work,
2) Only from one airport within a set distance of pilot's home of record,
3) Pilot must take the jumpseat if other revenue or non-rev passengers need a seat,
4) Backup is required, and,
Pilots have 48 to use per year (4 per month) and this replaces all other non-rev privileges, OR
5) Non-commuting pilots get 48 positive space vouchers to use per year for anyone on their non-rev list.
My two cents.
03-29-2022, 07:00 AM
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I don't see management extending POS. They are in a very favorable position with record high RASM, pilots being paid in 2019 dollars and most of the domestic fleet paid for. Earnings are going to explode. I see DAL north of $80 share by 2023. Losing 15 seats a flight to employees won't be something they tolerate. If they make POS permanent, there will be a massive drain in ATL as everyone moves to coastal or mountainous tax-free havens. Why put up with the congestion, ATL airport parking, going through what looks like a super-max on your way to work and crazy taxes on everything. Delta would be flying narrow bodies full of pilots and flight attendants trying to get to work from FLL, MIA, TPA, MCO, SRQ.
Now if they went virtual basing, in a manner which preserves seniority and allows them to not staff an office, I could see POS working to and from those (hoping most would bid it and drive in). For everything else, maybe POS after you try once as a non-rev or XCM, obviously automating the process vs having to call.
No way it sticks!
Now if they went virtual basing, in a manner which preserves seniority and allows them to not staff an office, I could see POS working to and from those (hoping most would bid it and drive in). For everything else, maybe POS after you try once as a non-rev or XCM, obviously automating the process vs having to call.
No way it sticks!
What percentage of the pilot group would decamp for greener pastures with PSC? If it's only a couple % points, it's probably manageable. But if 10, or 20% of the pilots do this, you're looking at real problems during the couple-times-a-year meltdowns at hubs.
Costs the company nothing to say "You asked to work here, knew where the bases were, now get to work." The "call in honest" policy is already a compromise that gets pilots to work.
IMHO. This is all data driven; the company has spreadsheets that point towards $ick calls vs. commuting options.
*(This is already happening in other industries where tele-commuting and working from home has finally become viable.)
03-29-2022, 07:04 AM
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Here's current numbers. FL is still one of the lowest, way below GA.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...x-burden/20494
Back on topic I have many senior DAL FAs in my boating/friend group and they talk about this a lot. If Delta discontinues the positive space commuting they are going to have a very hard time with FA staffing. Many commuters will quit. Many more will say "not getting on the flight today, oh well". Now that they have a taste for it taking it away will get a union on property faster than anything. My bet is the company knows they need to keep it but they are pretending they don't so they can get DALPA to pay for it. Typical playbook.
03-29-2022, 07:18 AM
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Your numbers from 2019 are skewed.
Here's current numbers. FL is still one of the lowest, way below GA.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...x-burden/20494
Back on topic I have many senior DAL FAs in my boating/friend group and they talk about this a lot. If Delta discontinues the positive space commuting they are going to have a very hard time with FA staffing. Many commuters will quit. Many more will say "not getting on the flight today, oh well". Now that they have a taste for it taking it away will get a union on property faster than anything. My bet is the company knows they need to keep it but they are pretending they don't so they can get DALPA to pay for it. Typical playbook.
Here's current numbers. FL is still one of the lowest, way below GA.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...x-burden/20494
Back on topic I have many senior DAL FAs in my boating/friend group and they talk about this a lot. If Delta discontinues the positive space commuting they are going to have a very hard time with FA staffing. Many commuters will quit. Many more will say "not getting on the flight today, oh well". Now that they have a taste for it taking it away will get a union on property faster than anything. My bet is the company knows they need to keep it but they are pretending they don't so they can get DALPA to pay for it. Typical playbook.
We can go back and forth and find different sources to support our arguments. I’ll pass.
BL, there isn’t a drastic difference in the two that would drive a mass exodus from Georgia to Florida as the OP insinuated if PS is implemented permanently.
03-29-2022, 07:28 AM
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I doubt there will be a mass exodus if it stays. I think most people are settled if they've lived there more than a few years. What I think will happen is mass resignation of the non pilots if it goes away. Those FAs have gotten very used to not having to play the space-A commuter game and some of the newer ones never had to play it. That game sucks. They're gonna say it ain't worth the aggravation especially out of FL.
03-29-2022, 07:56 AM
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Your numbers from 2019 are skewed.
Here's current numbers. FL is still one of the lowest, way below GA.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...x-burden/20494
Back on topic I have many senior DAL FAs in my boating/friend group and they talk about this a lot. If Delta discontinues the positive space commuting they are going to have a very hard time with FA staffing. Many commuters will quit. Many more will say "not getting on the flight today, oh well". Now that they have a taste for it taking it away will get a union on property faster than anything. My bet is the company knows they need to keep it but they are pretending they don't so they can get DALPA to pay for it. Typical playbook.
Here's current numbers. FL is still one of the lowest, way below GA.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...x-burden/20494
Back on topic I have many senior DAL FAs in my boating/friend group and they talk about this a lot. If Delta discontinues the positive space commuting they are going to have a very hard time with FA staffing. Many commuters will quit. Many more will say "not getting on the flight today, oh well". Now that they have a taste for it taking it away will get a union on property faster than anything. My bet is the company knows they need to keep it but they are pretending they don't so they can get DALPA to pay for it. Typical playbook.
PS commuting is still commuting. It's a hassle to get to work even with PS. Those willing to commute for GA tax savings already drive to work from TN.
"Senior DAL FAs in my boating group", I can't unsee that mental image.
03-29-2022, 08:01 AM
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