Pilot morale
03-17-2022, 07:38 AM
#61
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The plane swap idea is interesting. I think that is something that should definitely be explored. As someone pointed out in a post just below yours (sic) "there's a difference between a 1 hour sit with a plane swap and without". Off the top of my head, I would think something like: With any sit less than 2 hours and a plane swap you get paid another hour. And you would have to sandwich that in with a penalty for any sit more than three hours.... or something like that.
03-17-2022, 08:02 AM
#62
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I just had one that made my 2.5 hour sit a 3.5 hour sit for my new flight. I didn’t answer my phone when CS called. I showed up for my scheduled flight and scanned my ID. Instead of getting the green light, I got a red one forcing me to check my schedule. The reroute replaced two short legs with one long leg to a 10-hour layover. It also made my legal duty day longer since I only had two instead of three legs. So, long story to say just because you don’t answer your phone or check your schedule doesn’t mean you can’t still be rerouted.
But you can’t be re-routed into an extension, which is what FreezingFlyBoy was posting about.
03-17-2022, 08:46 AM
#63
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*You shouldn't be rerouted into one, but i have seen it happen to myself. Im sure it might have worked for the computer when i came up with the idea, but then they posted a delay that made it illegal. But thats the delta difference
03-17-2022, 09:57 AM
#64
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I just had one that made my 2.5 hour sit a 3.5 hour sit for my new flight. I didn’t answer my phone when CS called. I showed up for my scheduled flight and scanned my ID. Instead of getting the green light, I got a red one forcing me to check my schedule. The reroute replaced two short legs with one long leg to a 10-hour layover. It also made my legal duty day longer since I only had two instead of three legs. So, long story to say just because you don’t answer your phone or check your schedule doesn’t mean you can’t still be rerouted.
03-17-2022, 09:58 AM
#65
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You are never required to extend. Further, if you get rerouted into a flight they SHOULD have been delayed before you are assigned it, that's illegal.
03-17-2022, 11:05 AM
#66
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Some of yall are missing the point of my original post. The point is that it IS illegal. It SHOULDN'T be happening. But it's happening anyway, forcing you to be the one to call and fix it. I've had it happen twice in the last six weeks. Both times it's been fixed (after finally asking if I'd accept the extension, of course) but the sense I got both times was that they tried to slip one past the goalie and were bummed they got caught.
03-17-2022, 11:22 AM
#67
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Rotations on most NB categories right now are brutal. The "Optimizer" is real and it was a sudden, seismic change when that switch was flipped and its gotten worse since.
NYC NB used to be a commuters paradise and many of the trips weren't that bad. With a little seniority, which always comes quickly there, a good line was easily attainable. Now things are so bad CA is almost at NH class levels and first pagers in BES can't get lines as good as less than halfway would get you just a few years ago.
The good news is since we've been educated that the Optimizer only tweaked productivity a couple percent, it should be very easy to totally and completely roll back. After all, its only a couple percent.
03-17-2022, 11:39 AM
#68
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I have too. Not recently but numerous times in the "we expect you to extend without having to tell us unless you call in fatigued." They would reroute you into already delayed flights. They'd change the late flight to on-time, reroute you into it, then delay it again usually do to late aircraft or flight attendants so the on-time was never really possible. Just doing it so they can say it was legal when they built it. Now it's so easy to refuse extension, I would assume this practice has stopped, but nothing surprised me anymore.
03-17-2022, 11:52 AM
#69
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The fact that the company has you guys calling it 'refusing the extension' blows my mind. Were guys actually extending? Is that why the company assumes it will happen?
03-17-2022, 11:59 AM
#70
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For a long time around here it was the expectation that you extended. Our extension rate was way way higher than our major competitors. Then the FAA started asking questions.
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