Pilot morale
03-25-2022, 08:26 PM
#251
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When they do send a TA, it is almost always disappointing. Then the sales job starts and they start explaining why every section is worse than expected. Throw in a retro check or signing bonus big enough to buy a new car and the vote usually turns out yes. The deal we voted down was 6 months early and had no bonus or retro money so it was much easier to vote down.
03-26-2022, 03:46 AM
#252
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I would take our first world problems over a 10+ year upgrade and very limited long term outlook on financial income and trip experience (i.e. international etc.). Love my bros at Southwest, I have some great friends there, but like the rest of us, it's not the same it was in the 80's/90's.
03-26-2022, 04:11 AM
#253
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Not actually trying to start a fight or derail the thread.
For those here last contract, however, it was a bit of a head scratcher to have to ignore your negotiating committee who crosses their hearts and hope to die that this is the best, final offer and you have to vote yes....except it wasn't, and most didn't.
Do your own due diligence, I guess. Going to be a good long while before we see anything anyway, IMHO.
For those here last contract, however, it was a bit of a head scratcher to have to ignore your negotiating committee who crosses their hearts and hope to die that this is the best, final offer and you have to vote yes....except it wasn't, and most didn't.
Do your own due diligence, I guess. Going to be a good long while before we see anything anyway, IMHO.
03-26-2022, 05:03 AM
#254
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I'm with you on the dudes shouldn't always be auto no vote on the first TA, that's a ridiculous outlook. I certainly don't expect them to bend to every item we want, but I just don't think the company is actually negotiating in good faith when they unnecessarily drag things out, e.g, "last, best offer," that wasn't... Even worse if they actually use phrases like, "if we give it to you, we'd have to give it to other employees."
Last time, weren't some on the MEC "against" the TA, yet opted to send it to the pilot group anyway?
03-26-2022, 07:26 AM
#255
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My no vote isn’t an automatic, but a threshold. The minimum threshold is no concessions. If you allow concessions into the PWA you are working against your future self. Same with a bridge agreement to provide pay increases during section 6. If there’s no pay escalator there’s no improvement and the next 4 years becomes 7 or 8… yet again.
03-26-2022, 09:09 AM
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03-26-2022, 09:12 AM
#257
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I would take our first world problems over a 10+ year upgrade and very limited long term outlook on financial income and trip experience (i.e. international etc.). Love my bros at Southwest, I have some great friends there, but like the rest of us, it's not the same it was in the 80's/90's.
03-26-2022, 09:17 AM
#258
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NYC73N flying might be the best kept secret at the Widget. I should be quiet but I'm going to around 40% after this last AE with the Widebody AE still to come.
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03-26-2022, 09:20 AM
#259
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And when you can finally hold a line you'll have to gut out trips that have a heavy influence of retired Maddog and Minidog flying.
NYC73N flying might be the best kept secret at the Widget. I should be quiet but I'm going to around 40% after this last AE with the Widebody AE still to come.
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NYC73N flying might be the best kept secret at the Widget. I should be quiet but I'm going to around 40% after this last AE with the Widebody AE still to come.
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03-26-2022, 09:30 AM
#260
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So what level of seniority do you think you could hold in ATL @ SWA as an 07 hire? Oh that’s right, nothing. According to APC, their most junior Capt is an 08 hire in Oakland. Just to put things in perspective. I guess I fail to see your argument.
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