Originally Posted by CBreezy

And I would argue 4 legs to and from BNA is less fatiguing than a 2 leg, 8+ hour day

Originally Posted by FangsF15

I would strongly argue the opposite. As has been said, there is something for everyone.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Depends on the duty time and hrs worked. I'd rather do 4x ATL-BNA 9am-5pm duty time than TPA-JFK 3hr sit then 7pm departure to PHX.

Originally Posted by Margaritaville

You should have gone to work at Allegiant.

Originally Posted by Trip7

You lose credibility and seem emotional when accusing anyone with a differing viewpoint of being management.

At the end of the day, we've reached an interesting place. RJ flying is quickly returning to mainline, and mainline fleets like the 320, 737, and 757 have the ability to do transcons and 1 hr legs efficiently. This perfect storm allows the optimizer to "optimize" the pairing. More over, RJs can't do transcons so redeyes were not at the regionals. Combine all those factors and we've reached a Brave new world in the Airline Industry. With critical staffing persisting for quite some time, I don't see things changing any time soon. Pilots will just have to deal with it.

On the brightside, there is PLENTY of movement and every pilot on the list will have an opportunity to find happiness SOMEWHERE. Bid WB anything you can hold on the next AE. Sign up for SLI. Sign up to work in the CPO. If you live in ATL go be senior on the 320/717/737 in ATL drop your trips and wait for short leg out and back 2 days.

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Originally Posted by DrunkIrishman

I’m not emotional and not accusing you of a thing my friend. I just call balls and strikes. Our rotations are a far cry from what they were before the optimizer. If we don’t do something about it with this current contract, we will have more of the same. What I cannot abide is our own justifying why it is necessary.

Originally Posted by Trip7

Many are using the optimizer as a scapegoat. IMO it's overblown. The main reason for the degradation in trips are a lethal combination of poor staffing, RJ flying upgauging to Mainline, and reduction of fleet mix/fleet simplification caused by retirement of 88, parking of many 717s. Many 737/320/7ER pilots are simply not used to operating the amount of legs we do now. Heck even the 717 back in the day with a LAX base had very nice trips with no more than 3 legs a day. When the plane was moved back east the schedules turned the jet into CRJ200 2.0.

It's a shock factor. Folks need to get used to it because it's not going to get better anytime soon as the Regionals collapse. Take your time, wind the clock, you're too tired to fly, call in fatigued.

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

agree with everything except the “get used to it” comment. We shouldn’t ever get used to it. Flying these types of skeds is great for a 23 yr old kid building time to get on with a major, but not so much for a 50+ yr old with 20+ years at a major. Call in fatigued every time you need to, and things will change by necessity. Yes it will cost more, but that’s the cost of doing business safely and legally.

Originally Posted by interceptorpilo

True if you are not changing planes in ATL every time you touch it or have a three hour sit in BNA in the middle of it.

Originally Posted by Baradium

Not only are they not great for either, but regionals have a fair amount of lifers who meet the 50+ y/o number.