Myfingershurt

Those cities will get less frequency because they won’t need as many arr/depts to cover the seats.

interceptorpilo

I have not heard anyone complain about the actual “podunk” cities. The worst layovers I have had have been the short NY layovers. When I flew to the podunks I enjoyed most all of them. The issues are the relentless schedules that have come about since the optimizer.

CBreezy

Right but that doesn't make their short block time worth more. That's what happens. If the program needs 5:15 per day and each leg is 1:00, how many legs do you need to eliminate credit?

Trip7

Excellent point, when you become senior enough(or highly skilled with PCS) to drop a majority or all of your schedule, these short trips make for an incredibly easy schedule full of 2 day trips that pay 10:30 block 2hrs. Downside is you need to have incredible schedule flexibility and be ready at a moment's notice as majority of these trips are same day WS.

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DrunkIrishman

Why do you think individual rotations have to do only those routes? I can fly coast to coast and also do a 1 hr leg on the same day for a 2 leg 6+ hr day. The regionals are “regionals” and stay in their hubs. We are not and can go elsewhere. There is no need to only do Nashville turns from ATL all day long.

Whose side are some of you on anyway? Go work in mgmt if you want to justify the high leg/duty day, low layover trips.

CBreezy

When the vast majority of your departures out of ATL are stage lengths less then 1.5 hours, the vast majority of the legs will be those flights. And what's frustrating is because there are so many of these short legs, we no longer enjoy the lack of variety of leg lengths so that the program can tack on a BHM turn after a leg from LAS or SLC.

And I would argue 4 legs to and from BNA is less fatiguing than a 2 leg, 8+ hour day

interceptorpilo

True if you are not changing planes in ATL every time you touch it or have a three hour sit in BNA in the middle of it.

3 green

Agreed, but what a lifestyle if you can pull it off.

CBreezy

I agree. And I think there are some things we need to address in our contract to help protect against fatiguing rotations. The first would be for the company to follow the data driven recommendations of the FTDT committee.

Trip7

You lose credibility and seem emotional when accusing anyone with a differing viewpoint of being management.

At the end of the day, we've reached an interesting place. RJ flying is quickly returning to mainline, and mainline fleets like the 320, 737, and 757 have the ability to do transcons and 1 hr legs efficiently. This perfect storm allows the optimizer to "optimize" the pairing. More over, RJs can't do transcons so redeyes were not at the regionals. Combine all those factors and we've reached a Brave new world in the Airline Industry. With critical staffing persisting for quite some time, I don't see things changing any time soon. Pilots will just have to deal with it.

On the brightside, there is PLENTY of movement and every pilot on the list will have an opportunity to find happiness SOMEWHERE. Bid WB anything you can hold on the next AE. Sign up for SLI. Sign up to work in the CPO. If you live in ATL go be senior on the 320/717/737 in ATL drop your trips and wait for short leg out and back 2 days.

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