Pilot morale
03-23-2022, 09:43 AM
#181
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Nobody flies the A321 outbound from STT to JFK. In fact the A320 won’t even make it. The only Airbus flights nonstop are A319’s. All Jet Blues flights to JFK from STT are scheduled STT-SJU-JFK on both the 320 and 321. The flights are nonstop going down.
03-23-2022, 10:44 AM
#182
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It doesn't have to be as bad as it is. Even regionals and LCC's don't have zero to 2% commutable trips.
03-23-2022, 11:45 AM
#183
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Its not the "regional flying" that's the issue. Its the massively diluted BES redundancy and enhanced by relentless marketing that boosts credit and puts one penny over pilot QOL, all force multiplied by the 2018 Optimizer with the Prime Directive to reduce credit to the bone.
It doesn't have to be as bad as it is. Even regionals and LCC's don't have zero to 2% commutable trips.
It doesn't have to be as bad as it is. Even regionals and LCC's don't have zero to 2% commutable trips.
We need to get back to certain levels of quality of life that are simply the costs of doing business. Otherwise I fear where this optimizer path takes us in the years and decades ahead…
03-23-2022, 11:59 AM
#184
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I'd argue since 2018 we haven't seen much increase in value per day, just increased productivity for siimilar pay. NB 3 days are usually ~15:45, 4 days ~21:00. Diference is now the block time is closer ro 15:45, 21:00...soft credit is being eliminated. They've found combining inherent unproductive days with high block days results in no increase in pay, as long as doesn't exceed min trip salaray aka ADG.
Ironically, and the company has even stated this, reducing credit (“buffers”) has had the unintended consequence of being disastrous during IROPS of any kind. Simply no make-up capability with tight turns and max duty days. I’m hopeful that reliability and on-time performance win the day soon and our rotations get better.
03-23-2022, 12:20 PM
#185
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Interesting. I didn’t get an ACARS a coupes weeks ago, although it was a strange setup.
On our last flight of the day we had to divert to the alternate. No ACARS on the way to the alternate nor when we initialized for the leg back to the original destination.
Although we knew we were extending, the only indication from the company was on the LATT worksheet on the flight plan addendum. The LATT for “without extension” was blank and the “with extension” had the correct time.
On our last flight of the day we had to divert to the alternate. No ACARS on the way to the alternate nor when we initialized for the leg back to the original destination.
Although we knew we were extending, the only indication from the company was on the LATT worksheet on the flight plan addendum. The LATT for “without extension” was blank and the “with extension” had the correct time.
03-23-2022, 06:02 PM
#186
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This. Imagine how many millions could be saved by maintaining every Delta workspace at 80 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer and 60 in the winter. Luckily for those who work in these spaces, quality of daily life at work matters more to management than the potential HVAC dollars saved (not to mention the reduced effect on climate change that Delta says they care about). Dollars spent/invested in our pilot qol are not treated similarly.
We need to get back to certain levels of quality of life that are simply the costs of doing business. Otherwise I fear where this optimizer path takes us in the years and decades ahead…
We need to get back to certain levels of quality of life that are simply the costs of doing business. Otherwise I fear where this optimizer path takes us in the years and decades ahead…
Just wanted to say, well put sir.
03-23-2022, 06:43 PM
#187
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt;[url=tel:3393695
3393695[/url]]I think the ACARS messages only come between pushback and takeoff. If you’re already airborne and get rerouted or put in holding they extension is automatically applied…cause you’re in the air. If you diverted and signed a release with a LATT extension already applied, there’s no need for the ACARS message cause you can still be reached by phone.
03-24-2022, 05:32 AM
#188
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I'm glad someone finally said it out loud.
For years I listened to mainline pilots of all companies bragging how they were going to scope out all the RJs and "take it back". I told them I hope you do but I hope you also realize what that flying will be. Not long after that the 717 was christened the Triple Nickel with 5 leg days, 5 day trips, and $5 an hour less than the 88. They all complained about overnighting in podunk places we used to fly props to. Now it sounds like that has spread to all the NB fleets. The accelerating demise of the express carriers is only going to make this worse. Somebody has to do that flying. But it's not a new thing. I distinctly remember buddies on the 9 at NWA telling me about 4 day trips that never left the state of MI.
For years I listened to mainline pilots of all companies bragging how they were going to scope out all the RJs and "take it back". I told them I hope you do but I hope you also realize what that flying will be. Not long after that the 717 was christened the Triple Nickel with 5 leg days, 5 day trips, and $5 an hour less than the 88. They all complained about overnighting in podunk places we used to fly props to. Now it sounds like that has spread to all the NB fleets. The accelerating demise of the express carriers is only going to make this worse. Somebody has to do that flying. But it's not a new thing. I distinctly remember buddies on the 9 at NWA telling me about 4 day trips that never left the state of MI.
03-24-2022, 05:39 AM
#189
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I'm glad someone finally said it out loud.
For years I listened to mainline pilots of all companies bragging how they were going to scope out all the RJs and "take it back". I told them I hope you do but I hope you also realize what that flying will be. Not long after that the 717 was christened the Triple Nickel with 5 leg days, 5 day trips, and $5 an hour less than the 88. They all complained about overnighting in podunk places we used to fly props to. Now it sounds like that has spread to all the NB fleets. The accelerating demise of the express carriers is only going to make this worse. Somebody has to do that flying. But it's not a new thing. I distinctly remember buddies on the 9 at NWA telling me about 4 day trips that never left the state of MI.
For years I listened to mainline pilots of all companies bragging how they were going to scope out all the RJs and "take it back". I told them I hope you do but I hope you also realize what that flying will be. Not long after that the 717 was christened the Triple Nickel with 5 leg days, 5 day trips, and $5 an hour less than the 88. They all complained about overnighting in podunk places we used to fly props to. Now it sounds like that has spread to all the NB fleets. The accelerating demise of the express carriers is only going to make this worse. Somebody has to do that flying. But it's not a new thing. I distinctly remember buddies on the 9 at NWA telling me about 4 day trips that never left the state of MI.
03-24-2022, 05:52 AM
#190
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Of course no one says that. What they say is that want RJs out of the contract and to bring that flying back to mainline. What do you think happens to the cities those aircraft serve?
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