Pilot morale
03-23-2022, 08:02 AM
#172
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Spot on. The 73 outside of ATL is really good flying. 1 to 2 legs a day for the most part and great layovers. I agree completely that a lot of the angst is from the 88 affect. It's a big shock factor doing 1-2 legs a day for years and then thrown into endless RJ flying like what has happened to the 7ER(Official plane of Florida) and the 320(basically the new 88). The introduction of the NEO should improve things for the 320 while likely having very negative consequences for the 7ER. Furthermore, if Delta introduces the MAX to the fleet the 7ER fleet's longer stage length flights will virtually be limited to 767 international and specific routes that require 757 performance (St. Thomas, Quito, Tegucigalpa etc)
Brave New World. Ironically after yelling at the top of their lungs for years about being RJ flying inhouse Mainline pilots are finally getting their wish but now are in an uproar about the schedules.
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Brave New World. Ironically after yelling at the top of their lungs for years about being RJ flying inhouse Mainline pilots are finally getting their wish but now are in an uproar about the schedules.
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As a 73 pilot not based in Atlanta I can tell you that this is inaccurate. Lots of multiple leg days, which I wouldn't mind so much if we didn't change planes so often, long sits in places with no pilot lounges, and short layovers in crummy hotels. Happy to have more flying at mainline, but that doesn't mean we should settle for a total destruction to our QOL. To pretend that things are all rosy and then blame the pilot group is just carrying management's water, especially during negotiations for a new contract.
03-23-2022, 08:08 AM
#173
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Originally Posted by iaflyer;[url=tel:3391836
3391836[/url]]No, we still get the ACARS with the extension. I got one last week. It's pretty clear in the ACARS you can extend or decline the extension, if you are extending, you just have to ACARS back before you land. IF you're declining, then of course you have to decline it then, because you can't aren't going then.
On our last flight of the day we had to divert to the alternate. No ACARS on the way to the alternate nor when we initialized for the leg back to the original destination.
Although we knew we were extending, the only indication from the company was on the LATT worksheet on the flight plan addendum. The LATT for “without extension” was blank and the “with extension” had the correct time.
03-23-2022, 08:12 AM
#174
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I'd argue since 2018 we haven't seen much increase in value per day, just increased productivity for siimilar pay. NB 3 days are usually ~15:45, 4 days ~21:00. Diference is now the block time is closer ro 15:45, 21:00...soft credit is being eliminated. They've found combining inherent unproductive days with high block days results in no increase in pay, as long as doesn't exceed min trip salaray aka ADG. SWA has ADG 5:39 & at least 4:21 MDG too, as well as a 1 for 1.55 duty rig. Compare that with our 5:15ADG, 0 MDG, & 1 for 2 duty rig. But beware of unintended consequences by ooohhhh
. Tell that to the NYC fleet with 1% commutable trips working their balls off. I'm sure SWA can't wait to get rid of their MDG, so they can avg less pay each day. I'm sure their boss will voluntarily build less productive trips, all for the small tradeoff of working a few extra days a month, an equivalant of an extra bid period each year. 
03-23-2022, 08:34 AM
#175
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As a 73 pilot not based in Atlanta I can tell you that this is inaccurate. Lots of multiple leg days, which I wouldn't mind so much if we didn't change planes so often, long sits in places with no pilot lounges, and short layovers in crummy hotels. Happy to have more flying at mainline, but that doesn't mean we should settle for a total destruction to our QOL. To pretend that things are all rosy and then blame the pilot group is just carrying management's water, especially during negotiations for a new contract.
After thinking back to trips in the last year, it's the long sits that are killing our days. I remember few longs sits on the 737 years ago, and shorter turns. Now, we have a longer turn time typically (but with an aircraft swap of course) and more sitting in odd places, while another crew takes our plane.
03-23-2022, 08:54 AM
#177
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As a 73 pilot not based in Atlanta I can tell you that this is inaccurate. Lots of multiple leg days, which I wouldn't mind so much if we didn't change planes so often, long sits in places with no pilot lounges, and short layovers in crummy hotels. Happy to have more flying at mainline, but that doesn't mean we should settle for a total destruction to our QOL. To pretend that things are all rosy and then blame the pilot group is just carrying management's water, especially during negotiations for a new contract.
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03-23-2022, 08:58 AM
#178
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There is a new airport in Tegucigalpa that should not require specific performance if we re enter that market. No more TGU.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma...tional_Airport
does STT require special performance? B6 flies a321s there from JFK.
it would not surprise me if in 2-3 years most the 752s are parked and we are left with.
752 charter planes
752 TATL planes
753
763
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma...tional_Airport
does STT require special performance? B6 flies a321s there from JFK.
it would not surprise me if in 2-3 years most the 752s are parked and we are left with.
752 charter planes
752 TATL planes
753
763
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03-23-2022, 09:33 AM
#179
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SWA doesn't have a fleet like ours, thier network is P2P not hub n' spoke, don't fly redeyes, much lower avg stage, intentionally tight turn times & higher untilization, etc. Much easier to cram more legs per duty than at DL. If we cut & pasted their workrules, we still couldn't replicate their schedules. You know this.
I'd argue since 2018 we haven't seen much increase in value per day, just increased productivity for siimilar pay. NB 3 days are usually ~15:45, 4 days ~21:00. Diference is now the block time is closer ro 15:45, 21:00...soft credit is being eliminated. They've found combining inherent unproductive days with high block days results in no increase in pay, as long as doesn't exceed min trip salaray aka ADG. SWA has ADG 5:39 & at least 4:21 MDG too, as well as a 1 for 1.55 duty rig. Compare that with our 5:15ADG, 0 MDG, & 1 for 2 duty rig. But beware of unintended consequences by ooohhhh. Tell that to the NYC fleet with 1% commutable trips working their balls off. I'm sure SWA can't wait to get rid of their MDG, so they can avg less pay each day. I'm sure their boss will voluntarily build less productive trips, all for the small tradeoff of working a few extra days a month, an equivalant of an extra bid period each year.
I'd argue since 2018 we haven't seen much increase in value per day, just increased productivity for siimilar pay. NB 3 days are usually ~15:45, 4 days ~21:00. Diference is now the block time is closer ro 15:45, 21:00...soft credit is being eliminated. They've found combining inherent unproductive days with high block days results in no increase in pay, as long as doesn't exceed min trip salaray aka ADG. SWA has ADG 5:39 & at least 4:21 MDG too, as well as a 1 for 1.55 duty rig. Compare that with our 5:15ADG, 0 MDG, & 1 for 2 duty rig. But beware of unintended consequences by ooohhhh
. Tell that to the NYC fleet with 1% commutable trips working their balls off. I'm sure SWA can't wait to get rid of their MDG, so they can avg less pay each day. I'm sure their boss will voluntarily build less productive trips, all for the small tradeoff of working a few extra days a month, an equivalant of an extra bid period each year.
03-23-2022, 09:33 AM
#180
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