Pilot morale
03-20-2022, 06:36 AM
#131
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I expected him to say "yes, this is legal, but in my opinion, you should call in fatigued."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
If you think you might be fatigued, you probably are actually past that point, and should 'make the call' and then forget about it. Maybe listen to the "Engage" podcast the MEC put out speaking to this exact issue? It will set your mind at ease. Spotify and Apple have it at least.
03-20-2022, 06:52 AM
#132
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I expected him to say "yes, this is legal, but in my opinion, you should call in fatigued."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
Calling in fatigued is easy. "I'm so and so, I'm calling in fatigued for my upcoming trip/SC/this next leg." He or she says, "Ok, what time should I tell scheduling you'll be rested?" ... "Ok, I'm sending you a link to a form you have to fill out within 48 hours." End of discussion.
I can't wait until you're a Captain and you're calling for more gas.
03-20-2022, 07:01 AM
#134
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
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I expected him to say "yes, this is legal, but in my opinion, you should call in fatigued."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
03-20-2022, 07:10 AM
#135
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,535
I expected him to say "yes, this is legal, but in my opinion, you should call in fatigued."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
03-20-2022, 08:00 AM
#136
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Capt
Posts: 2,049
All I will forward with is how UAL creates the sense of union from day one with half wings, eight ball ect...
Here at DAL it's dog eat dog. Our group has no sense of union and instead creates an entitlement of mine (see DZ, see non DZ, see lost era, see una, see ect...) it was fantastic to see all the GS go out while there were people out on UNA. You got yours so who cares about the una people. After all they deserved it for being JR at major airline....how foolish of them to think they made it and would be covered by DALPA...
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Here at DAL it's dog eat dog. Our group has no sense of union and instead creates an entitlement of mine (see DZ, see non DZ, see lost era, see una, see ect...) it was fantastic to see all the GS go out while there were people out on UNA. You got yours so who cares about the una people. After all they deserved it for being JR at major airline....how foolish of them to think they made it and would be covered by DALPA...
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There’s the other side of the coin with UNA’s. “I went back to my old job and put 100k in the bank.” “My wife works so I fixed up the house, it was great”. Always another story.
03-20-2022, 08:11 AM
#137
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Position: Not an RJ driver anymore
Posts: 1,070
Crown, brother, you will get no follow up. There is no negative consequence to calling in fatigued. It's hard to say, since we weren't there, but it sounds like when you called the DP 'on the fence', he/she didn't really know what to tell you other than, "it's legal." Clearly that came across to you as non-supportive, and that's unfortunate, I'll grant you. But there absolutely will not be a threatening follow up. I cannot say strongly enough that you should have zero worry about that. Truly.
If you think you might be fatigued, you probably are actually past that point, and should 'make the call' and then forget about it. Maybe listen to the "Engage" podcast the MEC put out speaking to this exact issue? It will set your mind at ease. Spotify and Apple have it at least.
If you think you might be fatigued, you probably are actually past that point, and should 'make the call' and then forget about it. Maybe listen to the "Engage" podcast the MEC put out speaking to this exact issue? It will set your mind at ease. Spotify and Apple have it at least.
I have a rule calling in sick. If my sick call derails the operation that badly, we have bigger problems at Delta. Maybe I should do the same with fatigue calls.
Anyway, thanks everyone. Even Breezy. We don't agree on much, but I think y'all gave me more grace than I deserved.
03-20-2022, 08:18 AM
#138
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
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Posts: 10,463
thanks Fangs. I appreciate that. I bolded exactly what I was thinking; I called more or less seeking council for a situation that was only getting worse (long EDCTs going into the midwest) and yes, looking back on it, I should have just said "I'm fatigued, see you tomorrow." But again, I was seeking some guidance from the Duty Pilot. Yes, I was hoping he'd help me make a tough decision. Believe me, it's not a lack of confidence or anything like that.
I have a rule calling in sick. If my sick call derails the operation that badly, we have bigger problems at Delta. Maybe I should do the same with fatigue calls.
Anyway, thanks everyone. Even Breezy. We don't agree on much, but I think y'all gave me more grace than I deserved.
I have a rule calling in sick. If my sick call derails the operation that badly, we have bigger problems at Delta. Maybe I should do the same with fatigue calls.
Anyway, thanks everyone. Even Breezy. We don't agree on much, but I think y'all gave me more grace than I deserved.
03-20-2022, 12:20 PM
#139
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Position: window seat
Posts: 12,544
Thinking you're getting 4 days of extra pay and 4-5 PB days on top all because you slipped a 5 day on your 1 day off is just silly.
03-20-2022, 12:57 PM
#140
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They might agree to that if reserve pilots with less days off than the slip in question go to the bottom of the stack and if they forfeit the prorated PB days in question.
Thinking you're getting 4 days of extra pay and 4-5 PB days on top all because you slipped a 5 day on your 1 day off is just silly.
Thinking you're getting 4 days of extra pay and 4-5 PB days on top all because you slipped a 5 day on your 1 day off is just silly.
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