Pilot morale
03-19-2022, 05:23 PM
#121
Has a furrowed brow
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Question to the DL group from a FDX guy.
We at purple are fighting the same fight with revisions and extensions. You would think wanting it fixed and a contract sooner than later would encourage people to fly there line. By adding extra flying via draft/GS you are condoning the extra abuse. Are you seeing a lot of your pilot group still flying a lot of “extra” flying voluntarily? Most in our group is happily still going above and beyond with a big Thank You from management.
We at purple are fighting the same fight with revisions and extensions. You would think wanting it fixed and a contract sooner than later would encourage people to fly there line. By adding extra flying via draft/GS you are condoning the extra abuse. Are you seeing a lot of your pilot group still flying a lot of “extra” flying voluntarily? Most in our group is happily still going above and beyond with a big Thank You from management.
It’s the same here a DAL. There’s a sizable segment of our group that’s addicted to green slips.
03-19-2022, 06:07 PM
#122
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Remember that there’s a difference between a line holder and a reserve doing a green slip. A line holder GS is helping to fix staffing the problem. A reserve GS is just pushing the issue down the road (and potentially making it worse for the company). Just sayin.
03-19-2022, 06:10 PM
#123
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^^^^THIS^^^^. Work smarter, not harder.
03-19-2022, 06:10 PM
#124
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Unless its a GSWC. How about IA?
03-19-2022, 06:27 PM
#125
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The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
03-19-2022, 09:06 PM
#126
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: MD-88 FO
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The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
03-19-2022, 09:23 PM
#127
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03-20-2022, 05:32 AM
#128
seeing the large hubs...
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Position: 73N A
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We haven’t gotten ACARS messages for extensions in a while, at least I haven’t. They just update your schedule and expect you to show up. It’s on you to realize you’re going into an extension. Although the LATT worksheet on the dispatch release will show it.
If you’re not going to extend, you need to call and let them know the flight isn’t going, at least not going with you in the seat.
If you’re not going to extend, you need to call and let them know the flight isn’t going, at least not going with you in the seat.
03-20-2022, 05:51 AM
#129
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Position: Up front
Posts: 963
The beauty of a reserve GS is that it is for all intents a GSWC--yet covered at the earlier GS step of trip coverage! Yes, I let the secret out, but that is it's true brilliance. I've long contended that a reserve GS should be coded differently in the daily trip coverage, just so guys get a true feel for what the trip coverage for that day is doing.
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
Regular GS: you've permanently solved scheduling's problem, albeit for double pay.
Reserve GS: you're only getting single pay above the reserve guarantee, but while you may be solving scheduling's problem today, you are also causing another problem for them down the road when you are NOT available to be assigned flying, because you got the payback days
03-20-2022, 06:16 AM
#130
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Position: Not an RJ driver anymore
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I'm glad to see that the duty pilots won't help us make the tough decisions. Maybe, just maybe, I was looking for guidance. Instead, I was essentially threatened with "fly it, you're legal." Very regional-esque. But fine. Next time I'll just call fatigued. And when there's a threatening follow up, I'll say "Breezy says there's no gray area, even though I might be legal for it."
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