Pilot morale
03-19-2022, 05:52 AM
#101
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Position: Not an RJ driver anymore
Posts: 1,070
Everytime I've called in fatigued the duty pilot has 110% had my back. Never caught any flack from anyone afterwards either. As someone who was at one point a little paranoid at work, I simply don't feel any "threat" from my cpo. Nobody should be afraid to call in fatigued/sick...
03-19-2022, 06:19 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: Wind checker
Posts: 773
My experience with this (twice in the last 12 months) was 180 out. Total support from duty pilot and system worked well. As far as “being on the radar”, I don’t care if my name is in bright lights with a red carpet leading to the CPO, I’ll call in fatigued when appropriate.
03-19-2022, 06:42 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,859
If you are fatigued, please call it.
03-19-2022, 06:50 AM
#104
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,535
I think I would chalk that up to a bad experience/Duty Pilot, Crown. The recent DALPA MEC podcast has gone out our their way to say the experience is zero threat, and there is zero tracking (there isn't really a mechanism, according to APLA).
If you are fatigued, please call it.
If you are fatigued, please call it.
03-19-2022, 06:53 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,535
You said, "I'm fatigued." And his response was, "it's legal?" I've called in a few times during a legal rotation and I've never gotten any flack or pushback.
03-19-2022, 07:05 AM
#106
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 75
I’ve called in several times (2 over the last 3 months most recently), never had pushback.
Quite frankly the last time I called in I didn’t need an extension, it was just a long day with crappy sleep and the hour delay in the second flight was just too much for me. What can I say, I’m a wuss.
Don’t call the DP looking for justification, you have nothing to prove to them and they are not the judge. Their only job is to acknowledge and process your UNfit/Fatigue status. If a DP gives you pushback I’d say “I understand you don’t agree, I am still calling in fatigued.” I would certainly note the DP pushback in the report to ensure the FAA gets eyes on it.
Quite frankly the last time I called in I didn’t need an extension, it was just a long day with crappy sleep and the hour delay in the second flight was just too much for me. What can I say, I’m a wuss.
Don’t call the DP looking for justification, you have nothing to prove to them and they are not the judge. Their only job is to acknowledge and process your UNfit/Fatigue status. If a DP gives you pushback I’d say “I understand you don’t agree, I am still calling in fatigued.” I would certainly note the DP pushback in the report to ensure the FAA gets eyes on it.
03-19-2022, 08:46 AM
#108
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Position: Fairly local
Posts: 1,472
Originally Posted by Jp8burner;[url=tel:3391288
3391288]I’ve called in several times (2 over the last 3 months most recently), never had pushback.
Quite frankly the last time I called in I didn’t need an extension, it was just a long day with crappy sleep and the hour delay in the second flight was just too much for me. What can I say, I’m a wuss.
Don’t call the DP looking for justification, you have nothing to prove to them and they are not the judge. Their only job is to acknowledge and process your UNfit/Fatigue status. If a DP gives you pushback I’d say “I understand you don’t agree, I am still calling in fatigued.” I would certainly note the DP pushback in the report to ensure the FAA gets eyes on it.
Quite frankly the last time I called in I didn’t need an extension, it was just a long day with crappy sleep and the hour delay in the second flight was just too much for me. What can I say, I’m a wuss.
Don’t call the DP looking for justification, you have nothing to prove to them and they are not the judge. Their only job is to acknowledge and process your UNfit/Fatigue status. If a DP gives you pushback I’d say “I understand you don’t agree, I am still calling in fatigued.” I would certainly note the DP pushback in the report to ensure the FAA gets eyes on it.
That said, I’ve had nothing but excellent support from the Duty Pilots when I’ve had to call fatigued or not extending.
03-19-2022, 09:22 AM
#109
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,123
This. They are facilitating downstream changes that will happen so you can get the rest you need. Don’t ask them anything, tell them. Tell them you’re done and when you’ll be rested again to be safe to fly.
That said, I’ve had nothing but excellent support from the Duty Pilots when I’ve had to call fatigued or not extending.
That said, I’ve had nothing but excellent support from the Duty Pilots when I’ve had to call fatigued or not extending.
03-19-2022, 09:34 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 320B
Posts: 222
I called in fatigued last year before I even checked in for my trip because I didn't sleep well due to sick kids. Absolutely no push back. The duty pilot just told me to fill out the report and the company would determine if I would be paid out of my sick bank. He was very understanding and gave me no problems. Fatigued is fatigued no matter what the cause. You or 100% pay protected even if it has to come out of your sick bank. Never feel like you have to fly fatigued.
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