Contract 2022
01-09-2022, 09:40 AM
#61
Rodeo clown
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Paying pilots for duty hours addresses a number of complaints:
-Pay for airport sits
-Pay for preflight
-Pay for ground delays
It could be implemented as a supplement to block hour pay or a replacement for block hour pay. I'll stay away from rate and costing proposals and stick to math problems I have a chance at solving like inflation and tax rates.
-Pay for airport sits
-Pay for preflight
-Pay for ground delays
It could be implemented as a supplement to block hour pay or a replacement for block hour pay. I'll stay away from rate and costing proposals and stick to math problems I have a chance at solving like inflation and tax rates.
01-09-2022, 09:40 AM
#62
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If we look at the scheduling monkey business that goes on now, I think the real opportunity would be to disincentivize long sits (and/or pay dearly for them) in the middle of a duty period, either in base (virtual airport ready reserve if you touch a base like ATL), or in the 4:59 sit in RSW or JAX, etc. Part of the reason we see the terribly fatiguing rotations is that rather than have 14-16 hours at an overnight, they go closer to min rest on NBs so that they can keep you on duty and swap you around to cover anything they want when you touch a base.
01-09-2022, 09:47 AM
#63
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Then watch them schedule 3:59 before your last leg of the day or your go home leg. Congrats, they have you available for reroute nonsense for an additional three hours at no cost to the company.
01-09-2022, 09:48 AM
#64
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01-09-2022, 09:53 AM
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01-09-2022, 09:54 AM
#67
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Not trying to poke you in the eye, but the problem with just reducing ground time until you get a hotel means all of the onus is on you: get in early enough to have the requisite time for hotel, make the call for crew accommodations, go catch the van, check in, then enjoy the limited time before you go back to the airport. Now, how many pilots will forgo the multi-step hassle and let the company off? Add a sit pay to the formula that pays out EVERY time it hits the schedule, with no greater effort on your part, and now you have a real incentive for the company to avoid legal, but bad behavior.
Edit: Scoop or someone else can explain the type of rule that would provide the default incentives to reduce gratuitous abuse.
Edit: Scoop or someone else can explain the type of rule that would provide the default incentives to reduce gratuitous abuse.
01-09-2022, 09:56 AM
#68
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Amendable 12/31/23
24% raise retro to when Cares money ended.8% 12/31/2022.
5:15 vacation and training day.
6 hour min day
19% MBCBP DOS
22% MBCBP at $1 billion profit
25% MBCBP at $2 billion profit
Large deadhead improvements
Crew meals
Optional hats and Northface jackets.
24% raise retro to when Cares money ended.8% 12/31/2022.
5:15 vacation and training day.
6 hour min day
19% MBCBP DOS
22% MBCBP at $1 billion profit
25% MBCBP at $2 billion profit
Large deadhead improvements
Crew meals
Optional hats and Northface jackets.
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01-09-2022, 09:57 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,188
Not trying to poke you in the eye, but the problem with just reducing ground time until you get a hotel means all of the onus is on you: get in early enough to have the requisite time for hotel, make the call for crew accommodations, go catch the van, check in, then enjoy the limited time before you go back to the airport. Now, how many pilots will forgo the multi-step hassle and let the company off? Add a sit pay to the formula that pays out EVERY time it hits the schedule, with no greater effort on your part, and now you have a real incentive for the company to avoid legal, but bad behavior.
Edit: Scoop or someone else can explain the type of rule that would provide the default incentives to reduce gratuitous abuse.
Edit: Scoop or someone else can explain the type of rule that would provide the default incentives to reduce gratuitous abuse.
01-09-2022, 10:20 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Jun 2018
Posts: 128
do you mean the optional market cash account, or are you referring to the minimum balance? Two separate items that many people conflate as one. Min balance is doa. Mbcbp is not. (Please reference MEC chairman’s letter Dec 21, 2021 for mbcbp info).
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