Contract 2022
01-20-2022, 02:07 PM
#491
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 867
if you want to better your QOL for your given seniority, I highly recommend a black belt. I'm just not sure if should be at Cobra Kai or Miyagi-do.....
01-20-2022, 03:00 PM
#492
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,101
Exactly this. Yes there are tools to make a crappy schedule better, but it doesn’t have to be that way. And a person being annoyed about crappy rotations and schedules doesn’t mean that that person doesn’t do anything about it.
This thread is about UPDATING OUR CONTRACT. If things suck, why not try to use the opportunity that only comes around once every few years to change them?
Instead of just saying anyone who doesn’t like what PBS produces each month is lazy and stupid
Some people’s posts are reminiscent of “Well that’s just the way it is.” and, “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”
This thread is about UPDATING OUR CONTRACT. If things suck, why not try to use the opportunity that only comes around once every few years to change them?
Instead of just saying anyone who doesn’t like what PBS produces each month is lazy and stupid
Some people’s posts are reminiscent of “Well that’s just the way it is.” and, “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”
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01-20-2022, 04:02 PM
#493
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,258
You are correct, this thread is about contract 2022. But, other than providing food for thought for peeps to put on their questionnaire, it will change nothing UNTIL a new contract comes in.
Until that time, there have actually been at least 2 "tips and tricks" that people can use immediately to make the best of a bad situation. A double bang for your buck. News you can use immediately combined with cerebral possibilities. Just because people discuss those tips does not mean they aren't in favor of a long term solution.why not take a "free education" to improve your lot in life regarding schedules now?
I applaud the tip and trick proffers and I'm grateful that they are generous enough to provide them knowing that, if everybody uses them, it will hurt them personally.
JMHO
Until that time, there have actually been at least 2 "tips and tricks" that people can use immediately to make the best of a bad situation. A double bang for your buck. News you can use immediately combined with cerebral possibilities. Just because people discuss those tips does not mean they aren't in favor of a long term solution.why not take a "free education" to improve your lot in life regarding schedules now?
I applaud the tip and trick proffers and I'm grateful that they are generous enough to provide them knowing that, if everybody uses them, it will hurt them personally.
JMHO
01-20-2022, 04:16 PM
#494
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Joined APC: May 2014
Position: Drivin’ the bus
Posts: 729
Same seniority as you. I’m currently 85% in category. Thanksgiving, Xmas and New Years (didn’t even want it) off.
Thanksgiving I swapped reserve days using bad day/worse day.
Xmas somehow got an APD but would have gotten it off by rolling thunder if necessary.
New Years - rolling thunder.
Just this morning I fixed February with another bad day/worse day swap to clean up some inconvenient unstacking that would have conflicted with an annual family ski trip. No blue days were part of this solution.
Next year I’m already moving pieces around the board. Week after thanksgiving for VAC and will be placing some supp days back to Thursday to assure I’m off. Will slide the remainder of that vacation as late in December as possible, etc etc.
Bottom line - It takes effort but almost anything is achievable if you abandon the notion that PBS awards are the final answer.
Thanksgiving I swapped reserve days using bad day/worse day.
Xmas somehow got an APD but would have gotten it off by rolling thunder if necessary.
New Years - rolling thunder.
Just this morning I fixed February with another bad day/worse day swap to clean up some inconvenient unstacking that would have conflicted with an annual family ski trip. No blue days were part of this solution.
Next year I’m already moving pieces around the board. Week after thanksgiving for VAC and will be placing some supp days back to Thursday to assure I’m off. Will slide the remainder of that vacation as late in December as possible, etc etc.
Bottom line - It takes effort but almost anything is achievable if you abandon the notion that PBS awards are the final answer.
A little help please on the “bad day/worse day” calculus? I thought I understood it but each time I’ve tried I don’t get the swap because “CAPPED RESERVE DAYS”??
Simply based on experience trying, I’ve come to the conclusion that if the whole month is black (my category is) there are no swaps that will work.
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01-20-2022, 04:21 PM
#495
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: Middle Seat
Posts: 1,233
Any discussion of using CPI increases on future amendable years to keep the company from using inflation against us?
We became amendable in Jan 2019. The company can agree to a 15% percent (or so....no idea of the correct number) increase and the pilot cost will be flat in 2019 dollars given inflation.
Our contract value is eroding just sitting here. I'm hoping there is some mechanism for this going forward to prevent rewarding the company for slow rolling the process.
We became amendable in Jan 2019. The company can agree to a 15% percent (or so....no idea of the correct number) increase and the pilot cost will be flat in 2019 dollars given inflation.
Our contract value is eroding just sitting here. I'm hoping there is some mechanism for this going forward to prevent rewarding the company for slow rolling the process.
This is an important discussion point, but I believe the PWA was amendable Jan 1, 2020. ALPA and the Co. elected to start discussions early.
According to the .gov, inflation was:
7.7 % Jan 1, 2020 to Jan 1, 2022.
9.1% Jan 1, 2019 to Jan 1, 2022 (the date of our last raise).
01-20-2022, 04:56 PM
#496
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 801
Any discussion of using CPI increases on future amendable years to keep the company from using inflation against us?
We became amendable in Jan 2019. The company can agree to a 15% percent (or so....no idea of the correct number) increase and the pilot cost will be flat in 2019 dollars given inflation.
Our contract value is eroding just sitting here. I'm hoping there is some mechanism for this going forward to prevent rewarding the company for slow rolling the process.
We became amendable in Jan 2019. The company can agree to a 15% percent (or so....no idea of the correct number) increase and the pilot cost will be flat in 2019 dollars given inflation.
Our contract value is eroding just sitting here. I'm hoping there is some mechanism for this going forward to prevent rewarding the company for slow rolling the process.
I think I'll call it the "Z-factor" for Generation Z. Z-factor is CPI + 1% or 2%, based on the assumption that CPI understates actual inflation.
Pay tables in the next contract for years 2, 3, and/or 4 should not be in actual dollars, but rather codified as Z-factor + X%. So year two would be year 1 pay tables plus Z+10%; year 3 pay tables would be year 2 pay tables plus Z+8%, etc. These would ensure our gains are in real dollars.
Inflation is here, and definitely not "transitory." The purchasing power of our Federal Reserve Notes aka U.S. Dollars is being eaten away, through no fault of labor or management. The Z-factor (patent pending) protects us against inflation.
A5S
Edit: There needs to be a clause written stating that pay tables will increase by Z + 3% beyond the amendable date.
01-20-2022, 05:12 PM
#497
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,609
Drum, I'm not going back to look for it, but just to be sure, unless you are fairly close in Seniority to the RLL, you don't just bid a blank line. This is especially true if you're doing it for days off needed. If you are senior enough for a blank line, you're probably senior enough to bid days on reserve off in Feb. Doing it the other way is REALLY risky
01-20-2022, 05:25 PM
#498
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
I'm going to get a lot of flack for sharing this life hack. And just so we are on the same page, the bid period starts on Jan 31st. So, the 31st is the first day of the month and it happens to be very very negative. Adding up the negative coverage on the first several days, you get something like -35 or something. So, you can drop as many trips (up to 3 because of the form only has 3 drop lines) later in the month even if they are negative as long as they only add up to -34. Note: this does not apply when a trip to be dropped touches an APD holiday.
01-20-2022, 05:48 PM
#499
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,306
Exactly this. Yes there are tools to make a crappy schedule better, but it doesn’t have to be that way. And a person being annoyed about crappy rotations and schedules doesn’t mean that that person doesn’t do anything about it.
This thread is about UPDATING OUR CONTRACT. If things suck, why not try to use the opportunity that only comes around once every few years to change them?
Instead of just saying anyone who doesn’t like what PBS produces each month is lazy and stupid
Some people’s posts are reminiscent of “Well that’s just the way it is.” and, “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”
This thread is about UPDATING OUR CONTRACT. If things suck, why not try to use the opportunity that only comes around once every few years to change them?
Instead of just saying anyone who doesn’t like what PBS produces each month is lazy and stupid
Some people’s posts are reminiscent of “Well that’s just the way it is.” and, “That’s the way we’ve always done it.”
01-20-2022, 05:49 PM
#500
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 2,306
You are correct, this thread is about contract 2022. But, other than providing food for thought for peeps to put on their questionnaire, it will change nothing UNTIL a new contract comes in.
Until that time, there have actually been at least 2 "tips and tricks" that people can use immediately to make the best of a bad situation. A double bang for your buck. News you can use immediately combined with cerebral possibilities. Just because people discuss those tips does not mean they aren't in favor of a long term solution.why not take a "free education" to improve your lot in life regarding schedules now?
I applaud the tip and trick proffers and I'm grateful that they are generous enough to provide them knowing that, if everybody uses them, it will hurt them personally.
JMHO
Until that time, there have actually been at least 2 "tips and tricks" that people can use immediately to make the best of a bad situation. A double bang for your buck. News you can use immediately combined with cerebral possibilities. Just because people discuss those tips does not mean they aren't in favor of a long term solution.why not take a "free education" to improve your lot in life regarding schedules now?
I applaud the tip and trick proffers and I'm grateful that they are generous enough to provide them knowing that, if everybody uses them, it will hurt them personally.
JMHO
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