172skychicken

I'm against trying to maximize pay per day at any cost. Better rigs, a higher ADG, or a min day are all great, but only if we get appropriate barriers in place to keep the company from trying to squeeze every last bit of credit out of our trips to make up for those gains. If we were really being scheduled close to FAR maximums, the average daily block for the domestic fleets would be much higher than it already is.

I get it. The unnecessarily long day days created by the 4 hour sits in ATL suck. Those grind on me too. I just think there are better ways to address those than going all out on a min day strategy that is unlikely to shorten those duty days. I'd much rather see a sit rig that pays on top of rotation guarantee. That way, the only way they could reduce the sit credit would be to shorten the sits. If we can get rules that allow a maximum of 3 legs a day, 8 hours of scheduled block, and a min layover length of 12 hours, then bring on the high min day or ADG. I just think one of those scenarios is more likely than the other. I'd rather get better rotation construction rules with incremental improvements in the rigs than go all out on a nuclear option that would improve pay but likely come with a steep QOL cost.

MrMustache

Min day only will make us like SWA. I didn’t apply to SWA for a reason. Their flying sucks IMO.

This would be a massive “We didn’t think they would do that” moment.

notEnuf

They have morning and afternoon shifts. That would be a huge improvement for body clock and fatigue. As of now every 4 or 5 day trip I have switches to an early report on the east coast on one of the short layovers.

notEnuf

So my result is reality and your argument is for a theoretical change in your ability to commute. It's about getting paid for the time I'm at work. Yup, a money grab. Now you are officially in crazy town, enjoy the commute. Which I already stated would be positive space.

CBreezy

It's not hypothetical. What do you think happens when every day has to be 6-7 hours? But hey, thanks for the offer of PS on the day before and after my trip.

Also, what do you think happens to layovers with mandatory 6-7 hour days? You think rotations magically get less fatiguing and layovers longer with that?

flyinthrew

I’m not super smart on the issue, but I think there’s something to a combination of an unextravagant Min Day, an ADG slightly above what we have now, and a sit rig.

CBreezy

I've heard 5:15 per day with a 3-4 hour min day. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed as long as we got a look at optimized pairings using that data.

notEnuf

If that isn't already happening to you and your trips, it will. I want to get paid for the time Delta has me. Are you really getting reports after 5pm and releases before noon? That's lofty senior stuff at best.

Boatbuilder

I’m a little late to the party here but I’d like to comment on Delta’s place in the pecking order of desire ability first. We are NOT a wide body airline. We are a National airline that codeshares with foreign carriers. If a potential applicants desire is to fly heavy metal to distant lands this is NOT the place to set up shop. This along with our contract placing the $$ on relatively small wide body fleets means that the average pay a pilot will get over the course of his/her 30+ year career is inferior than elsewhere.
Frankly I’m shocked and disappointed that they dropped the requirement for a 4 year degree. This is going to bite this company in the tail feathers down the road. It does however demonstrate how dire the hiring situation is. Time to put this to our advantage.

CBreezy

We were the last major carrier to do so.