sailingfun

We will see won’t we? This game has been played before even at Delta. The result is predictable.

hockeypilot44

I believe the company would have stalled for a year and a half easily which would have taken into covid without a contract. I don't believe voting down TA1 is what caused us to miss a cycle. By the way. Non-aviation companies are giving 15-20 percent raises to their employees to help deal with the high inflation.

crazyjaydawg

Who’s this we? I don’t understand what vested interest you have in the outcome.

Gunfighter

So are aviation companies including Delta, just not Delta pilots. Yet... We will get our 20+ percent with a graduated retro payment for 2020, 2021 and 2022 by the time the dust settles. If we see meaningful gains in soft areas of the contract the pay tables won't reflect the full amount of the raise. ie higher training and vacation values, and QOL improvements.

Ed should be losing sleep over how much pilot labor costs are rising.

Whoopsmybad

I could get behind this contract you speak of, 20% (with more % gains going forward) and lots of soft $ and QOL gains. Show me the language.

notEnuf

You just make stuff up knowing there is no way to test any evidence. You thought we would get a billion in 2019? Your post history deceives you.

Hello Newman

Just to clarify, are you saying we would have been better off accepting TA1?

flyinthrew

The bullet points in today’s C44 Section 6 update pretty much say the same thing. I like it. I hope they can deliver.

sailingfun

Hard to say. We gave up a substantial raise for 6 months plus some other minor work rules. The biggy was granting a 1 year extension. If that year allowed us to reach a agreement yes we would have been better off with TA1. If not we are better off with TA2. Even with some foresight I probably would have still voted no on TA1 as philosophically I was opposed to the change in profit sharing. That change in reality is probably going to end up as a very minor percentage from 2017 to whenever the next contract ends. It did pay nice for a few years. I doubt the company will see 2.5 billion in profits where the reduction occurred for a long time looking forward. I actually think our best profit year in the future might be 2023 if pent up demand remains. After that the delivery schedules for new aircraft ramp up rapidly especially at UCC’s. There will be strong pressure on yields. The industry is always cyclic and behind. Great yields now do to pent up demand. In 2024 with the planned capacity increase yields will suffer.

Gone Flying

where do we find this if we are not c44?