marcal

How about this…..do you call out sick for your FAA medical exam? How is this any different?

DeltaboundRedux

Sigh.

Fiat currencies are inherently inflationary. Yes, there will always be inflation; it’s a predictable outcome of fiat money.

Everyone here knows this. 2% inflation is manageable with a 2% raise. Not so much when the “I don’t care about pay rates, give me XYZ!” ignores 6% YOY inflation.

Copilots can upgrade to deal with this. 12+ year CAs, not so much.

I don’t care about a raise per se; just restore 2019 purchasing power then go to the grab bag issues everyone kvetches about. (Personally I hate <11 hr domestic layovers).

CBreezy

That wasn't the original argument.

DeltaboundRedux

Well, then I must’ve misread it.

It happens. Restore 2019 contract purchasing power, then go for broke on the rest.

Big E 757

Are you the same person as Oooff? You seem to argue for the sake of arguing, just like that screen persona.

20Fathoms

Not saying you’re wrong, but you seem to be against better rigs because they might nuke our already horrendous rotations. By your logic the inverse would be true no? Eliminate rigs and we’d get better trips. While that’s probably true, I don’t see you or anyone else arguing for getting rid of our current ADG for example. Are we truly at the Goldilocks of rigs? Just right? I’d say no.

I’ll add that international trips definitely can get worse with a min day so you’re right about that in that context. However I truly think domestic trips can’t fall much farther given FAA and PWA restraints.

notEnuf

Define “not commutable.” You get to save yourself a second flight, probably 2-3 hours and get more pay but somehow that doesn’t work for you because you want a longer day? Get the room and be fresh. The next step is home basing but if that’s not the direction you want to go, fine. C’mon man.

notEnuf

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CBreezy

I already said it. I like to bid for last day or first day one leg days. Those would be gone. I also like to bid for first day starts after 5p and last day ends before noon. Those would be gone.

And no, I'm not getting a room "to be fresh." I'll get a room if the trip is not commutable but that's what I'm arguing about. If you make a 6 hour hard day rig, commutability will like drop precipitously. That isn't a compromise between commuters and locals. A good compromise is every single benefit you have had living in base (free parking, short notice GS/WS, no hotels used). There have been no other contractual benefits to commuters except for the archaic commuter policy and JS.

Saying PS to work doesn't help locals so why should we have it is exactly like arguing to get rid of the JS for the same reason.

JustNarced

When I think of our next contract, I try to remind myself that C16 was dragged out to double its duration, the next contract will likely get dragged out for double its duration and then there is this whole massive inflation problem. The airplanes and infrastructure were purchased with much stronger pre-Covid(reset) dollars, our ticket prices going forward are going to reflect a much weaker dollar; earnings are going to explode. This is why DAL is sitting $40 with $20B in debt and what will be 2 to 3 profitable quarters out of 2020 through 2022. The last time we were at $40 a share we were rarely dropping a quarter and profit sharing was starting to become significant. There is the proof of where the professionals see Delta's profitability going forward. I am looking for incredible gains. Otherwise the 38% raise we go last time over 6 years wasn't really all that much of a gain exiting a bankruptcy era contract.