Contract 2022
04-19-2022, 07:28 AM
#1001
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sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.
04-19-2022, 10:07 AM
#1002
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sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.
04-19-2022, 10:21 AM
#1003
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sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.
04-19-2022, 10:58 AM
#1004
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04-19-2022, 12:05 PM
#1005
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you know what I posted prematurely. Contract admin called me back and said that previous poster was right. It was an arbitrator that said that that section only applies to a displacement, not an AE. Looks like ill have to do that trip….
04-19-2022, 01:30 PM
#1006
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good to know. Glad my guy got lucky
04-24-2022, 10:22 AM
#1008
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You know we finally write a plain language sentence in our contract that I understand, and then an arbitrator gets involved. That’s a terrible ruling by the way, it even specifically says AE or VD, alas.
04-24-2022, 11:18 AM
#1009
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04-24-2022, 11:42 AM
#1010
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Arbitration results like this are incredibly common in the industry. That’s why negotiating over and occasionally holding your nose and settling a dispute can be a better route than letting a third party decide your fate.
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