Prepare Yourselves… 2022 AEs
12-30-2021, 07:55 AM
#381
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Originally Posted by GeneralLee;[url=tel:3344217
3344217[/url]]Probably why I'm hearing still whispers that Max's are on the table. Especially to replace our aging 320s and 800s.
12-30-2021, 09:47 AM
#383
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You sure? We have ETOPS and NON ETOPS ones. Where do you see the specific number that have or do not have? I believe the ETOPS have it and NON ETOPS are ones without.
im going off what the powerpoint presentation said
im going off what the powerpoint presentation said
12-30-2021, 12:37 PM
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Vol 1 limitations. Look at the fuel section. It would specify a range of aircraft if any of the NEOs differed. Like it does when talking about ETOPS, HF equipped, and SATCOM equipped.
12-30-2021, 11:55 PM
#388
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The first 50 will be ETOPS, from what I heard. I get what everyone is saying, but On a side note about ETOPS, the ETOPS certification is about aircraft capability, reliability, and equipment on overwater ops and has almost nothing to do with extra fuel tanks, except as far as making it overwater for extended periods of time, I.e. single engine and 120 or 180 minutes from the nearest suitable alternate. I think you guys might be talking past each other. ETOPS certification is about equipment (SELCAL, HF radios, and engine reliability). Back in 2010 time frame I was on the ER and I remember we had several issues with engines and some bulletins were issued saying if you had an engine problem, and had to shut it down, don’t try to restart it again if you don’t need to because if you have to shut it down again or it fails, that would count as two engine shutdowns for the fleet for that one event and that severely hurts our ETOPS certification on the entire fleet. Yes, more fuel equals more range and makes a 6 hour transatlantic flight possible under 120 minute ETOPS, but the lack of that extra fuel wouldn't necessarily preclude a 3-4 hour ETOPS flight over water to Hawaii or KEF, Or the Azores.
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
12-31-2021, 04:44 AM
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The first 50 will be ETOPS, from what I heard. I get what everyone is saying, but On a side note about ETOPS, the ETOPS certification is about aircraft capability, reliability, and equipment on overwater ops and has almost nothing to do with extra fuel tanks, except as far as making it overwater for extended periods of time, I.e. single engine and 120 or 180 minutes from the nearest suitable alternate. I think you guys might be talking past each other. ETOPS certification is about equipment (SELCAL, HF radios, and engine reliability). Back in 2010 time frame I was on the ER and I remember we had several issues with engines and some bulletins were issued saying if you had an engine problem, and had to shut it down, don’t try to restart it again if you don’t need to because if you have to shut it down again or it fails, that would count as two engine shutdowns for the fleet for that one event and that severely hurts our ETOPS certification on the entire fleet. Yes, more fuel equals more range and makes a 6 hour transatlantic flight possible under 120 minute ETOPS, but the lack of that extra fuel wouldn't necessarily preclude a 3-4 hour ETOPS flight over water to Hawaii or KEF, Or the Azores.
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
12-31-2021, 05:26 AM
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The first 50 will be ETOPS, from what I heard. I get what everyone is saying, but On a side note about ETOPS, the ETOPS certification is about aircraft capability, reliability, and equipment on overwater ops and has almost nothing to do with extra fuel tanks, except as far as making it overwater for extended periods of time, I.e. single engine and 120 or 180 minutes from the nearest suitable alternate. I think you guys might be talking past each other. ETOPS certification is about equipment (SELCAL, HF radios, and engine reliability). Back in 2010 time frame I was on the ER and I remember we had several issues with engines and some bulletins were issued saying if you had an engine problem, and had to shut it down, don’t try to restart it again if you don’t need to because if you have to shut it down again or it fails, that would count as two engine shutdowns for the fleet for that one event and that severely hurts our ETOPS certification on the entire fleet. Yes, more fuel equals more range and makes a 6 hour transatlantic flight possible under 120 minute ETOPS, but the lack of that extra fuel wouldn't necessarily preclude a 3-4 hour ETOPS flight over water to Hawaii or KEF, Or the Azores.
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
Before everyone goes nuts on me, I know without any extra tanks, the 321NEO probably doesn’t have the range to make Hawaii under 120 minute ETOPS to begin with. I’m just trying to point out, however poorly (after a 12.5 FDP, 7.58 block day) that fuel capacity doesn’t affect ETOPS per se, it just affects which destinations you can serve in said ETOPS certified fleet. Clear as volcanic rock?
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