fishforfun

This is exactly how it worked. Make sure you’re not one of the odd reasons they can concert you out if seniority. I don’t know all exceptions. If you’re just a normal AE award you will be pay protected.

GogglesPisano

Great answer. I have vacation but didn’t check any boxes to protect it.

Yuko

I keep seeing the reference to 210 or 365.

What are the differences between 210 and 365 with regards to the next AE? And how does the company determine which one?

tennisguru

Those numbers refer to the length of time the company has to convert everyone awarded a position to their new position once the award is posted. Normal bids follow the 210 day conversion window. The 365 day bid is only allowed once per calendar year and only if the AE includes displacements (even if it’s just a single position). The don't even have to actually displace anyone, it just has to be a part of the AE bid.

It really just depends on what the company wants as far as training capacity and the size of the bid. Generally (but not always) the 365 day bid is going to be the largest of the year since they have the most time to train everyone.

TED74

I guess I thought it had to be to the same category, from the same category, on the same AE? Always seems like a thousand loopholes to prevent you from actually exercising seniority…just ask all the displaced folks watching Junior AE pilots train while they themselves await training from reinstatement (with no pay protection).

Iceberg

I would guess they displace from wherever the most junior A was awarded on the last bid. Then they instead award 30 more below that individual and train them in March 2023 two months after they’ve converted. Because 365 is most efficient even if you have to pay people more for no reason aside from bad planning.

Maybe they’ll go for broke and “plan” to displace 5 from NYC220, 4 from NYC737, and 3 from DTW717. Then no one will get displaced but, “EFFICIENCY!”

Planetrain

Im in this bucket. The only pay protection you get is from out-of-seniority training amongst the reinstatement pilots. No pay protection if you check the reinstatement box and a junior guy(s) gets trained ahead of you straight AE. Biggest freaking suck loophole garbage ever. Very discouraging…

Yuko

thanks


filler

FL370esq

You sure about that? Show me the PWA provision that says there is pay protection among renistatemets themselves. Reinstatements have been an epic fail on ALPA's part amd the Company has exploited the crap out of it for no logical reason.

TegridyFarms

Sounds about right. Along with a pat on the back about the grand reopening of the DTW 7ER base. Followed by a MSP 717 base. Then close both again when they need their next 365 “ace in the hole” next year. Maybe even create a UNA category of about a dozen or so guys, offer a 100 person VEOP. Enter a joint venture with Emirates who will eventually leave us for United, then enter another joint venture with Qatar who will leave us for a JV with spirit. Add 75 737-200s to be flown by Endeavor in exchange for a paid internship at Endeavor if things take a turn for the worse and we are furloughing someday. We will file an injunction, arbitrate, the arbitrator will rule in Deltas favor, alpa will send us new lanyards…..

This of course is all subject to change if the Sigma variant of COVID 19 shows up at anytime after May 1, 2022. In which case we will have mail in balloting nationwide and my dead Grandma will vote for us to be a socialist nation.